[android18] Window Pain

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[android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:50 am

Time for another dead person puzzle, based on a story I read...

Charlie knew he was going to die when he looked out of the window.
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby gregoryuconn » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:10 am

Did he see something relevant? An army? Weather? A fire? Person/people? Relevant where he was? A house? An apartment? A business? A hospital? Did he know he was going to die because.... He would be killed there? By a person/people? By fire? Flood? Some other kind of disaster? Or would he die of natural causes? Perhaps because help couldn't reach him in time?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:13 am

Did he see something relevant? Yes An army? Weather? A fire? Person/people? This Relevant where he was? Yes A house? An apartment? A business? A hospital? No to these, but could work in several public places Did he know he was going to die because.... He would be killed there? Yes By a person/people? This By fire? Flood? Some other kind of disaster? Or would he die of natural causes? Perhaps because help couldn't reach him in time? No to rest
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby irishelk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:44 pm

Yay, dead man puzzle!

Does he see one person? A couple of people? Many people? An angry mob? A concerned crowd? People in a relevant profession?

Will the person/people intend to kill him? Did he do something wrong? Illegal? Are they destroying the building?

Could he be in a store? A restaurant? A library? A church?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:00 pm

Does he see one person? This is the most relevant; he technically sees about 20 ish people A couple of people? Many people? An angry mob? A concerned crowd? People in a relevant profession?

Will the person/people intend to kill him? Yes, but beware of FA Did he do something wrong? Illegal? Are they destroying the building? No to these

Could he be in a store? No A restaurant? Could work A library? Probably not A church? Could also work
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby irishelk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:22 pm

Interesting...does he believe he will die in the same manner that the person intends to kill him? Is it in fact the one relevant person who intends to kill him? Do all the people intend to?

If/when he dies, will it be murder? An execution? A self-defense related killing? Accidental in any way? Suicidal in any way?

Does he want to die?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:50 pm

Interesting...does he believe he will die in the same manner that the person intends to kill him? He does not know how the person intends to kill him Is it in fact the one relevant person who intends to kill him? No, beware of the same FA Do all the people intend to? No

If/when he dies, will it be murder? This An execution? A self-defense related killing? Accidental in any way? Suicidal in any way?

Does he want to die? No
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:42 pm

Defenestration relevant?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:42 pm

Defenestration relevant?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:04 am

Defenestration relevant? No
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby gregoryuconn » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:10 am

Relevant that he's looking through a window? Would this work if he were looking through a glass door? The wall of a greenhouse? If the wall were missing entirely and he looked out through the opening?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:25 pm

Relevant that he's looking through a window? Yes Would this work if he were looking through a glass door? The wall of a greenhouse? Probably to both If the wall were missing entirely and he looked out through the opening? No
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:11 pm

Though the person/people will intend to kill him, do they not intend to kill him yet, when he looks out the window? Will they want to kill him when and if they learn something else? See something else? See him?
Is it the case that they don't want to kill him, but will be forced to?

Does he think they will enter the building? Does he need to leave the building? Is he unable to leave?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:09 pm

Though the person/people will intend to kill him, do they not intend to kill him yet, when he looks out the window? No, he realises that he will be killed due to what he sees upon looking through the window Will they want to kill him when and if they learn something else? See something else? See him? No to all
Is it the case that they don't want to kill him, but will be forced to? No

Does he think they will enter the building? Does he need to leave the building? Is he unable to leave? This

I think there may still be a potential FA here, so beware...
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:01 am

Do they want him dead? Do they know he's there? Are they going to destroy the building?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:23 am

Do they want him dead? Do they know he's there? Yes to these Are they going to destroy the building? No
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:58 am

Do they want him dead because of who he is? What he's done? Where he is? How he looks? A case of mistaken identity? Are they angry? Armed? Are they a mob? Posse? Militia? Military? Law enforcement?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:53 am

Do they want him dead because of who he is? Noish What he's done? Where he is? Yesish How he looks? Noish A case of mistaken identity? Are they angry? Potentially Armed? Are they a mob? Posse? Militia? Military? Law enforcement? No to rest
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby GalFisk » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:29 pm

If another person was there instead, would they want to kill that person? If more people were there, would they want to kill all of them? Is there a war? Civil unrest? Is he locked inside? Bound? Stuck? Hurt? Handicapped? Guarded? Relevant how they intend to kill him?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby trebor » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:07 pm

I know you already said it's a dead *man* puzzle, but just to be absolutely sure, is Charlie a HAM? Time period relevant? Is it relevant what Charlie does for a living?

You said it would probably work if he were looking through glass doors, but not if the wall were missing. Is this because if the wall were missing he could escape? Is it relevant whether he's on the ground floor or not?

Will Charlie's murder be a byproduct of another goal of the person/group? Would that person still be there even if Charlie weren't? Would the group? Does the person/group have a vendetta against Charlie? Has he done something that has angered them? Hurt them? Does he represent something they are against?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:57 pm

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If another person was there instead, would they want to kill that person? Yes... If more people were there, would they want to kill all of them? Yes... Is there a war? Civil unrest? Is he locked inside? Yope, no to rest Bound? Stuck? Hurt? Handicapped? Guarded? Relevant how they intend to kill him? Not really, assume via a gun

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I know you already said it's a dead *man* puzzle, but just to be absolutely sure, is Charlie a HAM? Nope! HTM Time period relevant? Not really, assume modern Is it relevant what Charlie does for a living? Yope, explore

You said it would probably work if he were looking through glass doors, but not if the wall were missing. Is this because if the wall were missing he could escape? Is it relevant whether he's on the ground floor or not? No to both

Will Charlie's murder be a byproduct of another goal of the person/group? Noish Would that person still be there even if Charlie weren't? Presumably Would the group? Presumably Does the person/group have a vendetta against Charlie? No Has he done something that has angered them? Possibly Hurt them? Possibly Does he represent something they are against? Probably not
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:44 pm

Is Charlie human? Adult? Child? Female?
If not these, is Charlie an animal?
Is there a relevant activity going on inside the building? Outside of it? Are either of these directly related to Charlie?
Is the window one that is on an exterior wall of the building?
Can Charlie talk to anyone? Communicate in another way?
Will Charlie be killed directly (like stabbed or shot)? Or indirectly (like if he's a fish and someone breaks the aquarium he's in)?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby trebor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:04 pm

Is Charlie a student? Is he a young offender? Is there a security measure preventing him from leaving? Is he physically restrained? Is Charlie able-bodied? Are school shootings relevant? Are there other people who are about to die with Charlie?

I think you may have been trying to flag this before, but I believe we have been working from the assumption that Charlie is indoors. Is this assumption correct? Are his attackers outside? Does he know them? Has he seen them before?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:52 pm

CoffeeBean

Is Charlie human? Adult? Child? Female? He's HTM
If not these, is Charlie an animal?
Is there a relevant activity going on inside the building? This Outside of it? Are either of these directly related to Charlie? Yes
Is the window one that is on an exterior wall of the building? If you mean is he on the outside looking in, then no
Can Charlie talk to anyone? Yes Communicate in another way?
Will Charlie be killed directly (like stabbed or shot)? This Or indirectly (like if he's a fish and someone breaks the aquarium he's in)?

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Is Charlie a student? Yes! Is he a young offender? No Is there a security measure preventing him from leaving? Yesish Is he physically restrained? No Is Charlie able-bodied? Yes Are school shootings relevant? Yes! Are there other people who are about to die with Charlie? Yes!

I think you may have been trying to flag this before, but I believe we have been working from the assumption that Charlie is indoors. Is this assumption correct? Yes Are his attackers outside? No Does he know them? Yes Has he seen them before? Yes

Very good questions!
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby trebor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:47 pm

Is Charlie in the school library? A classroom? Another school room? And he can’t escape because the attackers are in the hallway or whatever right outside? Are the shooters fellow students?

I recall something about students being shot in the library at Columbine...
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:46 pm

Is Charlie in the school library? A classroom? This Another school room? And he can’t escape because the attackers are in the hallway or whatever right outside? No Are the shooters fellow students? No
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby trebor » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:33 am

Wait, on Jan. 30th it was stated that the people who want him dead are not armed. But school shootings are relevant. Are they trying to get someone else to shoot up the school? When Charlie looks through the window, does he see a shooter/shooters? Does he see the person/people who will directly kill him? Does he see someone who will enable his death? Or order it? Does he see someone barricading the door?

Are teachers/school administrators trying to help the students? Trying to get them killed? Does this occur in the US?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:13 am

Did Charlie know he was going to die shoot by an offender? Is Charlie going to commit suicide? (E.g. the danger came from the inside, but he knew he could not save himself so he looked out of the window to check the height of the building in order to throw himself outside?)

Another possibility, maybe, is that Charlie is the one armed and he is surrounded by police officers who would have either shoot him or arrested him, which would have lead to death penalty (assuming that the sentence "he knew he was going to die" is referred not necessarily to the immediate future...is it so?)

Relevant what he saw outside of the window? Did he realize that he was going to die once he looked outside of the window? Did he hope to escape from the window? But he saw that it was somehow locked/too high? Or maybe he had already been shoot once he looked outside of the window? Did he see bullet holes on the window? Broken glasses? Blood? His blood? He saw the reflection of himself and saw an armed man behind himself? Or he saw maybe the entity of his injury and realized that he was going to die...
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Wed May 08, 2019 11:15 pm

It's been a long time again, I apologise, I've been very busy and side tracked the past months, now time to get back on it!

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Wait, on Jan. 30th it was stated that the people who want him dead are not armed. I think I may have thought that GalFisk was asking if Charlie was armed, which he wasn't. But the antagonist in this puzzle would presumably be armed, yes. But school shootings are relevant. Not necessarily Are they trying to get someone else to shoot up the school? No When Charlie looks through the window, does he see a shooter/shooters? No Does he see the person/people who will directly kill him? Possibly, but irrelevant Does he see someone who will enable his death? Same as previous Or order it? No Does he see someone barricading the door? No

Are teachers/school administrators trying to help the students? NO Trying to get them killed? Yes! Does this occur in the US? Could be set anywhere

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Did Charlie know he was going to die shoot by an offender? Not at first Is Charlie going to commit suicide? No (E.g. the danger came from the inside, but he knew he could not save himself so he looked out of the window to check the height of the building in order to throw himself outside?) So not this

Another possibility, maybe, is that Charlie is the one armed and he is surrounded by police officers who would have either shoot him or arrested him, which would have lead to death penalty (assuming that the sentence "he knew he was going to die" is referred not necessarily to the immediate future...is it so?) No

Relevant what he saw outside of the window? FA Did he realize that he was going to die once he looked outside of the window? Yes, but still FA Did he hope to escape from the window? But he saw that it was somehow locked/too high? Or maybe he had already been shoot once he looked outside of the window? Did he see bullet holes on the window? Broken glasses? Blood? His blood? No to all He saw the reflection of himself and saw an armed man behind himself? Or he saw maybe the entity of his injury and realized that he was going to die... No to both, but explore...
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby trebor » Thu May 09, 2019 5:22 pm

Was Charlie able to see anything on the other side of the window? Could he see through he window? Did he see something reflected in the window? Was his teacher in the room with him? Was another school administrator in the room with him? Were teachers or staff outside of the room? Relevant what room/hallway they were in? Was Charlie able to see them outside the window?

Had anything changed outside the window? Had things relevantly not changed, if that makes sense? Did he see dead bodies when he looked outside? Had students been tricked by teachers? Had the students been told that help was coming, and when Charlie looked outside and saw no help coming he knew he was about to die?

Will C be killed by someone in the room with him when he looks out the window? Are parents relevant to this puzzle?
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby android18 » Tue May 14, 2019 3:01 pm

Was Charlie able to see anything on the other side of the window? Yes Could he see through he window? Yes Did he see something reflected in the window? Yes! Was his teacher in the room with him? Yes Was another school administrator in the room with him? No/irrelevant Were teachers or staff outside of the room? Possibly but irrelevant Relevant what room/hallway they were in? Just an average classroom Was Charlie able to see them outside the window? If you mean the teacher, then no

Had anything changed outside the window? No, but... Had things relevantly not changed, if that makes sense? No Did he see dead bodies when he looked outside? No Had students been tricked by teachers? No Had the students been told that help was coming, and when Charlie looked outside and saw no help coming he knew he was about to die? Not this

Will C be killed by someone in the room with him when he looks out the window? Yes to in the room with him (the teacher), but not at the moment he looks out the window Are parents relevant to this puzzle? No
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Re: [android18] Window Pain

Postby trebor » Tue May 14, 2019 4:15 pm

Man, the way I phrase questions sometimes must be confusing to answer. Well done with that last set.

Okay. Did Charlie see his teacher reflected in the window? If so, were they (the teacher) holding a weapon? Performing a threatening action? Is he going to die within seconds? Minutes? Does he see the teacher killing another student?
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