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[peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:31 pm

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A man protests by moving his work desk 10 metres from it's a original position. What's going on ?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:05 pm

Horizontally? Vertically? Is the move disruptive? Destructive? Relevant where he moved it from? To? Is ita normal office desk? With normal office equipment? Is he protesting: coworker(s)? Boss? Work environment? Work tasks? Work hours? Pay? Benefits? Does he move it past a relevant wall? Door? Other desk?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:09 pm

Relevant new position w.r.t to the old one? Did the desk fall? Did he move it with his bare hands? Did he move it by lifting it? Relevant the way in which he moved it? Throwing it away with anger? Was there something relevant on the desk? Was the desk on its original position before being moved by the man? Did he protest against his boss? Against the owners of his workplace? Relevant which was his work? manufacturing? Modern times?
Relevant what was he protesting against? Was him the only one protesting? If not, do others protest in his same way? Is the protest nationally recognized? Was it a minor protest? Did he want to gain more rights? To claim his own rights? Was the change in the desk position perceived as a protest by the one/s against which it was made? If so, in the moment in which the desk was moved? After it has been moved? Shortly after? Hours after? Was the man present when it was perceived as a protest? Strikes relevant?

Had he moved the desk of less than 9 meters would the puzzle work? Of more than 10 meters?
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Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:44 am

Does he work in a traditional cubicle-farm office? In his own private office? Did he protest because the office plan changed? "Space modernization" / öpen office" in any way relevant? Relevant what his job is? What he wears to work? Or does he wear anything at all to work? Was he protesting some work policy? Some law?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:30 am

Apoligies for neglecting this but duty called.

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Horizontally? This Vertically? Is the move disruptive? No Destructive? No Relevant where he moved it from? He moved it within the same office floor that's all you need in terms of where. To? Is ita normal office desk? Yes With normal office equipment? YesIs he protesting: coworker(s)? Boss? Work environment? Work tasks? Work hours? Pay? An element of this Benefits? This Does he move it past a relevant wall? Door? Other desk? No to all
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Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:40 am

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Relevant new position w.r.t to the old one? Yes Did the desk fall? No Did he move it with his bare hands? Did he move it by lifting it? Relevant the way in which he moved it? Yes to previous two but not really relevant Throwing it away with anger? No Was there something relevant on the desk? No Was the desk on its original position before being moved by the man? Yes Did he protest against his boss? Against the owners of his workplace? This Relevant which was his work? Not really , it was financial services but not relevant manufacturing? Modern times? Yes
Relevant what was he protesting against? Yes Was him the only one protesting? No but he was the only one to take this action If not, do others protest in his same way? No Is the protest nationally recognized? No Was it a minor protest? Yes Did he want to gain more rights? Not really it was more about pay and benefits. To claim his own rights? I'd best describe it as making a point on behalf of himself and his departmental colleagues Was the change in the desk position perceived as a protest by the one/s against which it was made? Yes he told his boss why he was doing it and asked that it be asked they inform the board If so, in the moment in which the desk was moved? After it has been moved? Both Shortly after? this but don't get to concerned with the timing Hours after? Was the man present when it was perceived as a protest? He announced it as a protest so yes Strikes relevant? No

Had he moved the desk of less than 9 meters would the puzzle work? Of more than 10 meters? More yes less no.
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Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:50 am

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Does he work in a traditional cubicle-farm office? Yes In his own private office? No Did he protest because the office plan changed? No "Space modernization" / öpen office" in any way relevant? No Relevant what his job is? No What he wears to work? Or does he wear anything at all to work? He does but not relevant Was he protesting some work policy? Yes Some law? Best described as a one off policy.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:47 am

Does the move place him closer to something relevant? Farther from something relevant? Windows relevant? Lighting? Heating? Cooling? Noise? Other people?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:18 pm

Can we assume that he moved the desk without any other purposes than moving it from its original place? Or did he have an aim a part from protesting (e.g. he locked a door with the desk)? Did he want to demonstrate how narrow a passage was? That if more desks were put in the workplace the security norms would not be respected?

Holidays relevant? Additional payment for Christmas time? Payments to be received?
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Postby Lynne » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:44 am

Hi Peter!

Is the location of the office relevant? Does it straddle the border with Northern Ireland? Brexit relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:51 am

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Does the move place him closer to something relevant? Farther from something relevant? This Windows relevant? Lighting? Heating? Cooling? Noise? None of these Other people? Other people are affected by what he's protesting about
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Postby peter365 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:53 am

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Can we assume that he moved the desk without any other purposes than moving it from its original place? Yes you can Or did he have an aim a part from protesting (e.g. he locked a door with the desk)? Did he want to demonstrate how narrow a passage was? That if more desks were put in the workplace the security norms would not be respected? None of these but good thinking all the same.

Holidays relevant? Additional payment for Christmas time? No to these Payments to be received? Yes
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Postby peter365 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:54 am

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Hi Peter! Hi Lynne, it's been a while!

Is the location of the office relevant? Yes Does it straddle the border with Northern Ireland? Brexit relevant? No to both but an excellent notion . I'm amazeed we've not had a brexit themed puzzle yet.
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Postby Lynne » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:02 pm

Could others join him in a near-identical protest with their desk position? Or has he taken the one spot that makes his point? Is he the only one protesting this issue? If so, is that relevant?

Is it relevant how other colleagues view his actions? Are they sympathetic? Pleased that he's made a stand on their behalf? Annoyed? Angry? Is his job at risk before or after his action? Is he protecting his job? Protecting all their jobs? Is he likely to be demoted or fired as a result of his actions? If so, does he care? Or is the principle more important to him? Is he new to the job or near retirement age?

Does he just want to be seen in a different place by the upper management bods? Will he continue with his desk work as per normal? Does his immediate boss approve, disapprove, warn him of consequences, not really care?

Are windows relevant? Does he want to be seen from the outside? Does he want to see something himself that's out of the office?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:54 am

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Could others join him in a near-identical protest with their desk position? Yes Or has he taken the one spot that makes his point? No Is he the only one protesting this issue? A lot of people are annoyed but he's the only one actually demonstrating If so, is that relevant? See previous answer

Is it relevant how other colleagues view his actions? Somewhat Are they sympathetic? Pleased that he's made a stand on their behalf? Yes to both Annoyed? Angry? Is his job at risk before or after his action? I doubt he'd be censured over it Is he protecting his job? No Protecting all their jobs? No Is he likely to be demoted or fired as a result of his actions? No If so, does he care? He would care but not relevant Or is the principle more important to him? It's a matter of principle but not one he's prepared to be fired overIs he new to the job or near retirement age? Irrelevant

Does he just want to be seen in a different place by the upper management bods? No Will he continue with his desk work as per normal? Yes Does his immediate boss approve privately yes I'd say , disapprove, warn him of consequences, not really care?

Are windows relevant? Does he want to be seen from the outside? Does he want to see something himself that's out of the office?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:27 am

Is the office located high in a skyscreaper? Is a border being crossed? A line? An area of competence? A door?
Did he violate a restriction by moving his desk? Is separation between black and white employees relevant? Between male and femal workers? Any discrimination relevant? Did he place himself in the middle of something thus imoeding the nor.al activities of the office? Did he place himself between two sensors thus making an alarm ring all the time/ imoeding to a door to close itself? Did he step on the desk after it has been moved?
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Postby Lynne » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:50 am

Just one or two questions you missed, Peter

Are windows relevant? Does he want to be seen from the outside? Does he want to see something himself that's out of the office?
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Postby Lynne » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:25 pm

Questions from other people

Was he protesting some work policy? Yes
Some law? Best described as a one off policy.
Payments to be received? Yes

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Does the work policy change now that his desk is relocated? Are staff given locations to work in according to rank or experience?
Will he automatically qualify for one of those 'payments to be received' now that he has moved? Will he directly affect what others receive?

Does his work remain identical to what he has been doing? Or is there something about relocation that alters the nature of his work?

Is time and motion relevant? e.g. if he's nearer the photocopier (does that even get used nowadays??) he saves time? Or he's nearer the toilet and he's known to have a dickey tummy?

Wi fi reception relevant? Has he moved out of a blackspot? Or maybe into one (so he doesn't get tempted to play on the Lateral Puzzles Forum haha)
People complain about noise in cube settings. Is he further away from the water cooler or coffee pot and all the conversations that go on there?

Is political correctness happening here? Has he (inadvertently) upset somebody? And moving away has calmed things down?

Has somebody upset him? Eating strongly flavoured cheese and onion crisps all the time which annoys him? Allergies relevant? Perhaps to strong perfume or aftershave? Is there a pen-clicker near him? Somebody has leaking ear buds which drive him to distraction?

No more questions m'lord.
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Postby Balin » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:19 pm

Has the man also changed the orientation of his desk?
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:27 am

Is a metaphor relevant? Like the man is protesting against a glass ceiling by moving his desk away from it?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:20 am

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Just one or two questions you missed, Peter D'oh

Are windows relevant? No Does he want to be seen from the outside? Does he want to see something himself that's out of the office? No to all

Questions from other people

Was he protesting some work policy? Yes
Some law? Best described as a one off policy.
Payments to be received? Yes

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Does the work policy change now that his desk is relocated? No although his point is that it should Are staff given locations to work in according to rank or experience? They probably are but not relevant
Will he automatically qualify for one of those 'payments to be received' now that he has moved? No but again his point is that he should Will he directly affect what others receive? No , same as previous answer

Does his work remain identical to what he has been doing? Or is there something about relocation that alters the nature of his work? His work is unaffected

Is time and motion relevant? e.g. if he's nearer the photocopier (does that even get used nowadays??) he saves time? Or he's nearer the toilet and he's known to have a dickey tummy? No to all but proximity to something is relevant but not in an effeciency sense

Wi fi reception relevant? Has he moved out of a blackspot? Or maybe into one (so he doesn't get tempted to play on the Lateral Puzzles Forum haha)
People complain about noise in cube settings. Is he further away from the water cooler or coffee pot and all the conversations that go on there? no to these excellent thoughts.

Is political correctness happening here? Has he (inadvertently) upset somebody? And moving away has calmed things down? No to all again I'm afraid

Has somebody upset him? Eating strongly flavoured cheese and onion crisps all the time which annoys him? Allergies relevant? Perhaps to strong perfume or aftershave? Is there a pen-clicker near him? Somebody has leaking ear buds which drive him to distraction? No to all

No more questions m'lord. Thank you humble servent
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:22 am

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Has the man also changed the orientation of his desk? No he hasn't
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:23 am

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Is a metaphor relevant? No Like the man is protesting against a glass ceiling by moving his desk away from it? No to this too
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Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:44 am

You missed some questions from Earnest » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:27 am
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Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:26 am

Had he moved the desk of less than 9 meters would the puzzle work? Of more than 10 meters? More yes less no.

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There seems to be a precise distance that is relevant, i.e. not 9 metres or less. Would it be helpful to find out why this is so relevant? Is there a barrier at the 9 metre mark? Are those who are still less than 10 metres away from where they are now at a disadvantage?

Is he taking something very literally, and it doesn't make any difference to work output (and therefore, presumably, to pay) but he is just showing the policy makers how pedantic/silly/impossible their policy is?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:01 pm

Earnest

Is the office located high in a skyscreaper? Is a border being crossed? A line? A metaphorical one yes An area of competence? A door? No to rest
Did he violate a restriction by moving his desk? No Is separation between black and white employees relevant? Between male and femal workers? No to both, this takes place in the modern day Any discrimination relevant? No Did he place himself in the middle of something thus imoeding the nor.al activities of the office? Did he place himself between two sensors thus making an alarm ring all the time/ imoeding to a door to close itself? Did he step on the desk after it has been moved? No to all
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:06 pm

You missed some questions from Earnest » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:27 am Don't know why I keep missing questions

Had he moved the desk of less than 9 meters would the puzzle work? No, his protest required the distance to be at least 10 meters Of more than 10 meters? Yes More yes less no. That's correct

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There seems to be a precise distance that is relevant, i.e. not 9 metres or less. Would it be helpful to find out why this is so relevant? Very much so , 9 meters would not have validated his protest Is there a barrier at the 9 metre mark? No Are those who are still less than 10 metres away from where they are now at a disadvantage? In theory yes if his protest were to work which of course it won't , it's more a symbolic guesture without any real hope of success.

Is he taking something very literally, and it doesn't make any difference to work output (and therefore, presumably, to pay) but he is just showing the policy makers how pedantic/silly/impossible their policy is? If anything it's the employer that's taking something very literally . he's definitely highlighting how pedantic his employer is being all to save a few bob.
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Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:15 pm

Does the policy include precise measurements between desks? Does Elf and Safety come into this? He's proving that he can be just as productive at his desk?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:25 pm

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Does the policy include precise measurements between desks? not between desks but precise measurement is very relevant, although if anything they were trying to be too precise Does Elf and Safety come into this? No fank gawd :D He's proving that he can be just as productive at his desk? No

Hint , think about the nature of the payment to be received or not in this case
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Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:57 pm

Is the payment in the form of money directly linked to salary increases? Cash bonuses at Christmas? Are employees 'partners' in the firm like those at John Lewis? Extra leave? Employee of the month recognition? Free trips as rewards for sales? Free white goods or electronic gizmos or heavily discounted ones? Do they earn commission on sales?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:34 pm

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Is the payment in the form of money directly linked to salary increases? Cash bonuses at Christmas? Are employees 'partners' in the firm like those at John Lewis? Extra leave? Employee of the month recognition? Free trips as rewards for sales? Free white goods or electronic gizmos or heavily discounted ones? Do they earn commission on sales? I can say no to all of this, it's a once off payment of money that the staff are not going to get and that's what he is protesting about. It's not linked to salary , perfromance bonus or commission.
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Postby Lynne » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:39 pm

Are other people in the same firm getting this once off payment? Is he protesting on behalf of his department or the whole firm? Is it to do with positioning of desks? Is it a payment that would go directly to the staff, or one to improve their working conditions?
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:15 pm

Is his way to work relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:31 pm

Are people in other firms receiving the paynent? Were there someone else beyond the line? If so, were they receiving the payment? Is the metaphorical line dividing those who have the right to have the payment to those exluded? Were they excluded from the payment or simply the chiefs did not give them? Is the payment a check? Is it a considerable amount (higher than their average salary)? Is the payment related to a compensation? Is it given the day of the protest? Is it given as free "somethibg"? (E.g. free meals? Free phone calls?...)

Is he creating some discomfort for the firm by moving the desk? Are classifications of workers relevant? Worker categories? Did he work as a telegraphist/phone operator? (E.g. by moving 10 meters the desk he was able to captyre other conversations/ to have no more reception?...) are cables relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:35 am

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Are other people in the same firm getting this once off payment? Some are and some aren't Is he protesting on behalf of his department or the whole firm? His department Is it to do with positioning of desks? No Is it a payment that would go directly to the staff, or one to improve their working conditions? Directly to staff
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Is his way to work relevant? Yes but be careful
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Postby peter365 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:41 am

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Are people in other firms receiving the paynent? Yes Were there someone else beyond the line? Yes If so, were they receiving the payment? Nobody on his floor or in his department is getting the payment Is the metaphorical line dividing those who have the right to have the payment to those exluded? No Were they excluded from the payment or simply the chiefs did not give them? They were deemed not to have qualified to receive it Is the payment a check? Not really relevant , it would be added to their monthly salary on a once off basis. Is it a considerable amount (higher than their average salary)? It's about €600 Is the payment related to a compensation? Yes Is it given the day of the protest? No it would be payable in a couple of months Is it given as free "somethibg"? (E.g. free meals? Free phone calls?...) No it's a monetary payment

Is he creating some discomfort for the firm by moving the desk? Are classifications of workers relevant? Worker categories? Did he work as a telegraphist/phone operator? (E.g. by moving 10 meters the desk he was able to captyre other conversations/ to have no more reception?...) are cables relevant? No to all of these.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:37 am

To be sure: they did not receive any form of payment right? And they did not receive payment in otger currencies, correct?

Does the compensation regard just some type of employees? Employees with illneses? With diseaes? employee of a certain category? Change in calendar relevant? Change in political system? Change in currency? Interest rates?

Compensation to damages toward a certain category of employees? Compensation because of a huge working load? Exposure to tossic substances? Did they in fact been damaged by the deed/thing the compensation was for? Is the compensation computed on the basis of: lost working hours? Additional working hours due to something negative? Amount of damage to each employee? Insurance relevant?

Is the protest a proof that they are qualified to receive the compensation? Is the protest meant to "damage" what they produced and was not paid by the compensation?
Was there someone entitled to receive the compensation in the firm? If so in other departments/floors? Did he put the desk in the elevator (ok unrealistic but funny)? By moving the desk did he denounce the injustice? Did he make it evident/clear to anyone? Had a person who was beyond the metaphorical line crossed the other way round, would it be seen as a protest as well? Are people usually allowed to cross the line? If so, to work on the other side of the line as well?
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Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:09 pm

Is he still in the same building? Working for the same company?
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To be sure: they did not receive any form of payment right? And they did not receive payment in otger currencies, correct? That is correct, they were told that they did not qualify to receive the payment in any form.

Does the compensation regard just some type of employees? Yes employees that met a certain criteria Employees with illneses? With diseaes? No to both employee of a certain category? Yes but it's more a criteria than a category Change in calendar relevant? Change in political system? Change in currency? Interest rates? None of these

Compensation to damages toward a certain category of employees? No, it's not compensation for some wrong committed by the company Compensation because of a huge working load? Exposure to tossic substances? Did they in fact been damaged by the deed/thing the compensation was for? No to these Is the compensation computed on the basis of: lost working hours? No Additional working hours due to something negative? No Amount of damage to each employee? If you swap damage for inconvience you'd be on the right track Insurance relevant? No

Is the protest a proof that they are qualified to receive the compensation? It's highlighting the pedantic reason they didn't get it. Is the protest meant to "damage" what they produced and was not paid by the compensation? No the protest is merely to make a point it's not designed to negatively affect the company
Was there someone entitled to receive the compensation in the firm? Certain members of staff were deemed entitled If so in other departments/floors? Yes Did he put the desk in the elevator (ok unrealistic but funny)? By moving the desk did he denounce the injustice? No to this but love the image of someone putting a desk in an elevator Did he make it evident/clear to anyone? Only to his collegues on his floor and his immediate superiors Had a person who was beyond the metaphorical line crossed the other way round, would it be seen as a protest as well? No Are people usually allowed to cross the line? It wouldn't come up If so, to work on the other side of the line as well? DOn't get to hung up the 'line' there isn't a line as such but it's key that he moved his desk 10 metres and not 9
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Postby peter365 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:27 pm

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Is he still in the same building? If you mean after moving his desk then yes he is.Working for the same company? yes
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Postby peter365 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:34 pm

Recap with a hint or two as you guys have been working very hard on this (probably harder than the puzzle deserves if i'm honest).

Lets call our protester Jim . Jim works for a company that is undergoing a significant change, the details of which you'll have to establish. As a compensation for any incovenience caused the company are to pay staff a one off payment of €600 subject to a certain criteria. Jim works on a floor where nobody has been deemed to have met the criteria and they have been told they are not entitled to the payment, To highlight the injustice of this Jim moves his desk 10 metres within the same floor and work area that he and his colleagues in his department work in.

Now why did he do that?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby Lynne » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:46 pm

Has the inconvenience occurred within the building? Or outside? Something to do with how long it takes to get to work? Do they have a works bus? Is the inconvenience due to time or distance? Do they clock on? Relevant? Is the floor he's on relevant? Do those on upper or lower floors get the compensation?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby Earnest » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:38 am

After having moved the desk, was it evident that Jim could have met the criteria? That he needed the comoensation though he did not satisfy the criteria? That he needed the compensation? Is the injustice that they were told not to meet the criteria though they satisfy them? Or that they effectively not met the criteria but thought they were entitled to receive the compensation as well (e.g. criteria: being married with children. Change: working hours increased for a month. Jim and his fellows had children but were not married and protest since the change involved also them)? By moving the desk 10 meters further did he create relevantly more space in the place where he was before? Did he create less space? Are safety norms relevant at all? Did he go to his old place of work by moving 10 meters further? Is it something like the firm compensate for a relevant reduction in workforce, which could be due to a reallocation of workforce in other firm,'s sites (hence the remaining workforce should work a lot more to replace the others), and Jim's department was told not to meet criteria (not enough workforce has been moved)? So jim took his desk moved it 10 meters where there used to be someone else before and occupied an empty space, which was not such in the crowded office where he used to work before the workforce reduction?

Change: moving the official site of the firm? Moving location? Doing works to the building?
Are damages to the building relevant? Restructuring workforce?

Criteria: concerning directly the personal life of workers? Their lofe in the office? Working hours? Working load? Losing time? Services no more provided by the firm to workers? Not having holidays for a month? Spaces in offices? Pauses? No more vending machines?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby Balin » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:49 pm

Does he move his desk against a wall? Away from a wall?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby GalFisk » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:44 pm

Renovations relevant? Remodeling? Reorganization? Were some employees relevantly forced to move their desks?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:40 am

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Has the inconvenience occurred within the building? No Or outside? Not direcyly outside Something to do with how long it takes to get to work? There's an element of this Do they have a works bus? No Is the inconvenience due to time or distance? In part yes Do they clock on? No Relevant? No Is the floor he's on relevant? Yes Do those on upper or lower floors get the compensation? Some do some don't , people in certain departments are all getting it while other departments including Jim's are not
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:46 am

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After having moved the desk, was it evident that Jim could have met the criteria? It could be demonstrated but not immediately evident That he needed the comoensation though he did not satisfy the criteria? He doesn't need it but he'd like it all the same That he needed the compensation? Is the injustice that they were told not to meet the criteria though they satisfy them? It's more how close they were to satisfying it that's annoying Jim Or that they effectively not met the criteria but thought they were entitled to receive the compensation as well (e.g. criteria: being married with children. Change: working hours increased for a month. Jim and his fellows had children but were not married and protest since the change involved also them)? Nothing to do with having children By moving the desk 10 meters further did he create relevantly more space in the place where he was before? Did he create less space? Both irrelevant Are safety norms relevant at all? No Did he go to his old place of work by moving 10 meters further? no Is it something like the firm compensate for a relevant reduction in workforce, which could be due to a reallocation of workforce in other firm,'s sites (hence the remaining workforce should work a lot more to replace the others), and Jim's department was told not to meet criteria (not enough workforce has been moved)? It's not anything to do with reduction of workforce but the company has many sites and that is very relevant So jim took his desk moved it 10 meters where there used to be someone else before and occupied an empty space, which was not such in the crowded office where he used to work before the workforce reduction? So no to this.

Change: moving the official site of the firm? Yes this is key, Jim's current work location is being redeveloped and all staff in the building are moving to other locations Moving location? Yes this is key. Doing works to the building? Relevant insofar as it's the reason staff are being relocated
Are damages to the building relevant? Restructuring workforce? No to both

Criteria: concerning directly the personal life of workers? Their lofe in the office? Working hours? Working load? Losing time? Services no more provided by the firm to workers? Not having holidays for a month? Spaces in offices? Pauses? No more vending machines? None of these

Good progress there Earnest
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:47 am

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Does he move his desk against a wall? Away from a wall? Not relevant
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:48 am

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Renovations relevant? Yes as this necessitates relocation Remodeling? Reorganization? Yes Were some employees relevantly forced to move their desks? More than that , they are changing location
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:04 pm

Did he have to move his desk ecause of the renovations? Did a rule say that anyone who had to move more than a certain distane got compensation? Did the employees who qualified for compensation move at least 10 meters?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:26 am

Galfisk

Did he have to move his desk ecause of the renovations? No Did a rule say that anyone who had to move more than a certain distane got compensation? Yes the business is moving from its current location but staff are being deployed to a number of different buildings .Did the employees who qualified for compensation move at least 10 meters? More than that.

Nearly there now.
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:31 pm

Did the rule say that anyone who had to move got compenstion? Anyone who had to move a certain distance? Anyone who had to move to another office? Another department? He moved 10 meters in order to just barely be eligible according to the rules, right? Because he crossed some kind of border or delimiter? Because a distance of 10 meters specifically was relevant?
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby Earnest » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:42 pm

Would Jim be relocated? Did Jim protest for not being relocated? For being relocated? For being relocated to a nearer location? To a specific one?

After having moved the desk of 10 meters did Jim meet the criteria? (Kind of he did not meet the criteria for 10 meters of distance)
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still

Postby peter365 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:31 am

Galfisk

Did the rule say that anyone who had to move got compenstion? Anyone who had to move a certain distance? This Anyone who had to move to another office? Yes with the distance criteria Another department? He moved 10 meters in order to just barely be eligible according to the rules, right? Yes Because he crossed some kind of border or delimiter? Because a distance of 10 meters specifically was relevant? This

Earnest
Would Jim be relocated? This Did Jim protest for not being relocated? For being relocated? For being relocated to a nearer location? To a specific one? No to all , he was protesting about not getting the allowance

After having moved the desk of 10 meters did Jim meet the criteria? (Kind of he did not meet the criteria for 10 meters of distance) Yes

I think you're pretty much got there, so I'll move this puzzle 10 metres into the solved section

*************SPOILER***************

Jim's company is leaving its current location but instead of moving everyone to the same location they have acquired a number of different sites so workers will be spread all over the city. The workers union has negotiated with management that all staff moving will get a one off payment of €600 as a sort of compensation for the inconvenience. However one criteria applies namely that the new location must be a minimum of 2km from the current one.

Jim and his colleagues are appalled to find out that their new building is 1.85km away from their current location and management, following the absolute letter of the law , have denied Jim and his departmental colleagues the allowance. The measurement was taken from the front door of each building.

Jim knows where in the new building is desk is located and using his FItbit he measures the distance from his new desk to his current one. Maddeningly this comes to 1.99km so to highlight the pedantry of the management Jim moves his desk 10 metres further from the door and declares that he is now entitled to the allowance.

Thanks for playing guys especially Lynne Galfisk and Earnest who put in the hard yards.

Until next time.
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Re: [peter365] Waste of Time Sitting Still (RELOCATED)

Postby Earnest » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:08 am

Cool and interesting story. Hope the poor Jim got the compensation!
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