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[CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:06 pm

If they had heard an owl or a parakeet, they may never have found Anna.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:41 pm

Anna = HCF, HAF? They = HAM, HAF, HCM, HCF? Number of 'they'?
Were they at the zoo? Wildlife park? On safari in Africa or somewhere? Country relevant?
Did they hear another sound? If so, was it an animal?
Was Anna in danger at any time? Was she lost? Missing? Same questions for 'they'.
Relevant how long it took them to find her?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:50 pm

Anna = HCF, HAF? Human adult female They = HAM, HAF, HCM, HCF? Number of 'they'? Group of adult human men and women, exact number not relevant
Were they at the zoo? Wildlife park? On safari in Africa or somewhere? None of these Country relevant? It's the US (this is an actual event that took place in this country)
Did they hear another sound? If so, was it an animal? Yes to both
Was Anna in danger at any time? No Was she lost? Missing? For a short period of time she could have been considered either of these
Same questions for 'they'. No, not at any time
Relevant how long it took them to find her? Maybe helpful and it's not specifically known. Safe assumption is that it was, at most, a few days
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:18 pm

Were they in a national park? A desert? Is the location or type of terrain relevant? Walking/transport relevant?

Were they out looking for owls or parakeets? Were they bird watchers? If they had heard one early on, might they not have travelled any further? Or gone a different way?

Was Anna trapped? Was Anna looking for birds or other wildlife or something else?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:23 am

Did Anna want to be found? To be heard? To fool someone? If they had never found Anna, would they have a problem? Would she? Did they hear another bird? Did they hear Anna? Could any other bird sound have made them never find her?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:54 pm

Were they in a national park? A desert? Neither
Is the location or type of terrain relevant? Yes Walking/transport relevant? No

Were they out looking for owls or parakeets? No Were they bird watchers? No
If they had heard one early on, might they not have travelled any further? Or gone a different way? Their path would not have changed, but something very relevant would have happened (see last question below).

Was Anna trapped? No Was Anna looking for birds or other wildlife or something else? No

Did Anna want to be found? No, she didn't To be heard? No, most certainly not To fool someone? Yes
If they had never found Anna, would they have a problem? Yes Would she? No
Did they hear another bird? Yes, and... Did they hear Anna? ...yes
Could any other bird sound have made them never find her? Impossible to know for sure, but it's quite likely.

Very good set of questions
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:19 pm

was Anna reproducing birdcalls? were they blindfolded? Had they heard an owl or a parakeet, would the sound of Anna have been covered by the noise of the birds? was Anna hidden?
Are an owl and a parakeet present in the same place of Anna? Are they looking for Anna? Were they looking for owls? For parakeets?

Had they heard an owl or a parakeet, would they have changed their path? Assumed Anna was not there? Assumed Anna was dead? Changed direction? looked away? Assumed that the movements they heard belonged to the birds and not to Anna?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:02 pm

Was Anna reproducing birdcalls? No were they blindfolded? No
Had they heard an owl or a parakeet, would the sound of Anna have been covered by the noise of the birds? No was Anna hidden? Yes and no!
Are an owl and a parakeet present in the same place of Anna? No - good question
Are they looking for Anna? When? Were they looking for owls? For parakeets? No to both

Had they heard an owl or a parakeet, would they have changed their path? No, but it would have led to another result Assumed Anna was not there? No Assumed Anna was dead? No Changed direction? No looked away? No Assumed that the movements they heard belonged to the birds and not to Anna? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:28 pm

Vultures relevant?
Terrain = mountain, beach/sea, wood, forest, urban, river, lake, canyon, cave, volcano, jungle, glacier, hills, railway, marshes, inside a building, the summit of Mauna Kea, Hollywood, Area 51...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:45 pm

Was Anna camouflaged? Were the eventual sounds of the birds recorded? Artificially reproduced? Were them signals?

Had they heard an owl or a parakeet, would they have interpreted as a signal? Were they specifically looking for Anna?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:38 pm

Vultures relevant? No
Terrain = mountain, beach/sea, wood, forest, urban, river, lake, canyon, cave, volcano, jungle, glacier, hills, railway, marshes, the summit of Mauna Kea, Hollywood, Area 51...None of these
Inside a building? Yes
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:00 pm

Missed mines :))
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:02 pm

Was Anna camouflaged? Not exactly but in a way she was
Were the eventual sounds of the birds recorded? Artificially reproduced? Were them signals? No to all

Had they heard an owl or a parakeet, would they have interpreted as a signal? No
Were they specifically looking for Anna? No, they weren't - good question
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:39 pm

...is lady bird relevant?
Is anna an actress? Is Anna pretending to be camouflaged?
Had anna make up on? Was she dressed in a way that she resulted camouflaged? Mannequins relevant?
Are other animals present? Is a movie relevant? Is circus? Did they notice anna because they saw her? They touched her? They saw a particular part of her body? The eyes? The front of the hands? Her teeth? (E.g. Anna had a black skin and it was dark)

Theather relevant?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:00 pm

...is lady bird relevant? No
Is anna an actress? No Is Anna pretending to be camouflaged? No
Had anna make up on? No Was she dressed in a way that she resulted camouflaged? No Mannequins relevant? No
Are other animals present? Yes Is a movie relevant? Is circus? No to these
Did they notice anna because they saw her? Yes but also something else
They touched her? They saw a particular part of her body? The eyes? The front of the hands? Her teeth? (E.g. Anna had a black skin and it was dark) No to these

Theather relevant? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:22 pm

Is a museum relevant? Was Anna hidden by a courtain? By a plant? By darkness? By something related to animals? By animals? Were all the animals present in the same room? In the same building? In the same place of Anna? Were them in cages? Free to move? Were the animals physically present?

WAG --> flash mobs relevant? Lion king relevant?

Is the building a public space? An airport? A restaurant? A place were usually animals are found? Are the other animals birds? Various type of animals? Relevant?
Was Anna looking at them? Were they visitors? Tourists? Workers? Were they in a group?
Did they know that Anna was present? Did they notice her? Were they able to see her? Relevant what made them spot her presence? Did Anna move? Make something relevant?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:00 pm

Is a museum relevant? No Was Anna hidden by a courtain? By a plant? By darkness? By something related to animals? By animals? No to all
Were all the animals present in the same room? What animals? In the same building? There were animals present in the building, yes, but explore
In the same place of Anna? Yes-ish Were them in cages? Yes Free to move? Somewhat Were the animals physically present? Yes, one was

WAG --> flash mobs relevant? Lion king relevant? No to both

Is the building a public space? An airport? A restaurant? No to all
A place were usually animals are found? It is not uncommon to find animals in this kind of place
Are the other animals birds? No, and incorrect assumption Various type of animals? No Relevant? Yes
Was Anna looking at them? No Were they visitors? No Tourists? No Workers? Yes, of a certain kind Were they in a group? At one point, yes
Did they know that Anna was present? Some of the time they did, yes Did they notice her? Yes, but only at a certain point - good question Were they able to see her? Yes, they were always able to see her
Relevant what made them spot her presence? This is not what happened
Did Anna move? Make something relevant? Yes, at one point in time she did
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:17 am

So clarification needed: there were animals in the building in cages, but just one was physically present? Or just one was physically present in the same room as Anna?

Is Anna a co-worker of the people in the group? Did she know them? Did she know what was their job? Did she try to hide in order to do something that they did not want to be done? In order to surprise them? Did Anna want eventually to be discovered? Did she care of being discovered once she reached her aim (if she had one)? Did she want to take something? To free the animals?

Were the animals all of the same species? Birds? Insects? Mammals (also humans)? Fishes? Others? Of different species? An animal for a single specie (like in Noah's Ark?) Relevant? Are animals in good conditions? Bad conditions? Was it considered a good thing that such animals were there? A bad thing? Relevant how the animals would end up? Would they have been killed? Eaten? Kept in cages until their death? Cured? Transfered in another building? Did they move from town to town? Was it an event? A show? A demonstration? A conference?

Has the building several floors? Is the building found in every city/town? Were the animals sold? Studied? Analysed? Just looked? Examined by veterinaries?
Were they part of a collection? Was their natural environment reproduced? Were the animals one near the other? In different rooms? Is the building an hospital for animals?

Were they able to see her? Yes, they were always able to see her --> but did not notice her until a certain point right? Did they realize at first that Anna was a human? If not, did they assume that she was an animal? A patient? A worker? A visitor? Someone "not important" or at least that was supposed to be there? Someone that went unnoticed? Did she go unnoticed because anyone could be where Anna was doing what Anna was doing?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:44 pm

So clarification needed: there were animals in the building in cages, but just one was physically present? Or just one was physically present in the same room as Anna? Just one was present, in a cage

Is Anna a co-worker of the people in the group? No
Did she know them? No Did she know what was their job? Yes Did she try to hide Yes, in a way... in order to do something ...yes, but... that they did not want to be done? ...but not this. In order to surprise them? No Did Anna want eventually to be discovered? NO, she didn't
Did she care of being discovered once she reached her aim (if she had one)? No, her aim was to never be discovered Did she want to take something? No To free the animals? No

Were the animals all of the same species? Birds? Yes, it was just one bird Insects? Mammals (also humans)? Humans were also present Fishes? Others? Of different species? An animal for a single specie (like in Noah's Ark?) Relevant? The relevant characters are a group of humans and one bird
Are animals in good conditions? Mostly yes, but... Bad conditions? ...there are some relevant bad conditions also. Was it considered a good thing that such animals were there? To some of the people, yes A bad thing? But there were reasons that it was bad also Relevant how the animals would end up? Yes
Would they have been killed? Eaten? Kept in cages until their death? Cured? Under normal circumstances the bird would have been cared for as any pet loved by its owner
Transfered in another building? This was not planned, but it did happen, and this is relevant
Did they move from town to town? Was it an event? A show? A demonstration? A conference? No to all

Has the building several floors? Not relevant Is the building found in every city/town? Yes, this type of building is extremely common and can be found in any place where people live
Were the animals sold? No Studied? Yes, also... Analysed? ...this.
Just looked? At first, probably, but then examined more closely Examined by veterinaries? Not likely
Were they part of a collection? No Was their natural environment reproduced? No
Were the animals one near the other? In different rooms? The bird was in a relevant room, yes
Is the building an hospital for animals? No

Were they able to see her? Yes, they were always able to see her --> but did not notice her until a certain point right? That is correct - at a certain point they noticed something about her
Did they realize at first that Anna was a human? Yes, they always knew this
If not, did they assume that she was an animal? A patient? A worker? A visitor? No to all
Someone "not important" Yes! or at least that was supposed to be there? Her reason for being in a certain place was never questioned Someone that went unnoticed? Not unnoticed but very much OTRT
Did she go unnoticed because anyone could be where Anna was doing what Anna was doing? Not exactly, but the reason that for a while she wasn't noticed is very relevant. It is partly correct that the reason she wasn't noticed at first is because the focus was on other people. Good question.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:42 pm

Was their interest toward the bird mainly anathomical/scientific? Commercial? Others? Did they expect any sound from the bird? If so, did they begin to look at the reason why the bird did not make the expected sound? Was it due to Anna? Can the puzzle statement rephrased as " If they had heard THE SOUND OF an owl or a parakeet COMING FROM THE BIRD, they may never have found Anna"? Was the cage covered? Were they able to see the bird? Recognize the species? Was the bird captured in a jungle or somewhere else? Relevant? Modern times?

Was the attention of the group before on Professors? Other workers? Birds'experts?

Is the bird an owl or a parakeet? Was it alive? Did it make any relevant sound/noise? Is it of a common species? Relevant which one? May I invoke the list?

Was Anna interested in the bird? Scientific interest? Did she want to see it? Steal it? Had relevant interaction with the bird? Is a theory been shown? Was she unnoticed = was she confounded as a worker? A scientist? An expert? An assistant? A passer? Someone related to the bird?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:59 pm

Was their interest toward the bird mainly anathomical/scientific? Commercial? Others? None of these, there was another specific reason
Did they expect any sound from the bird? Yes, one person did
If so, did they begin to look at the reason why the bird did not make the expected sound? Yes Was it due to Anna? Partly, yes
Can the puzzle statement rephrased as " If they had heard THE SOUND OF an owl or a parakeet COMING FROM THE BIRD, they may never have found Anna"? No, but by adding another important word to the puzzle statement you will understand why Anna was found. Was the cage covered? No Were they able to see the bird? Yes Recognize the species? Yes and for a good reason Was the bird captured in a jungle or somewhere else? Relevant? Modern times? The bird was probably bought at a store or from an individual but that is not relevant. This takes place in modern times.

Was the attention of the group before on Professors? Other workers? Birds'experts? None of these

Is the bird an owl or a parakeet? No, it's neither of these Was it alive? Yes
Did it make any relevant sound/noise? Yes, very relevant
Is it of a common species? Relevant which one? May I invoke the list? The bird is a parrot

Was Anna interested in the bird? Possibly Scientific interest? No Did she want to see it? Unknown Steal it? No Had relevant interaction with the bird? Yes Is a theory been shown? Yes
Was she unnoticed = was she confounded as a worker? A scientist? An expert? An assistant? A passer?
Someone related to the bird? She was known as someone who owned the bird
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:58 pm

Does the bird mimic human words? Relevant? Was Anna discovered due to something said by the bird?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:08 pm

Does the bird mimic human words? Yes Relevant? Yes, very relevant
Was Anna discovered due to something said by the bird? Yes
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:13 pm

Did the bird say something loud? Did the bird say Anna's name? Something Anna made? Did the bird recognize Anna? Said Anna made something bad to him? Said that Anna made something bad in general?
Did Anna teach the bird some word? Did someone else?
Did Anna make a bad action in the past which was spot by the bird? Was Anna under cover and had been recognised by the bird?

Was Anna considered negatively by the group after having been found? Was part of Anna's job not to be found?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:45 pm

Did the bird say something loud? Loud enough to be heard by someone, yes
Did the bird say Anna's name? No Something Anna made? No Did the bird recognize Anna? In a way, yes Said Anna made something bad to him? Not to him, but... Said that Anna made something bad in general? ...yes.
Did Anna teach the bird some word? Did someone else? Yes
Did Anna make a bad action in the past which was spot by the bird? Yes Was Anna under cover and had been recognised by the bird? YES, in a specific way

Was Anna considered negatively by the group after having been found? YES, very much so!
Was part of Anna's job not to be found? Not her job, but she did not want to be found
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby Earnest » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:09 pm

She was a spy? She was in contrast with the group? She wanted to discover and steal the theories of the group? She was from another country? Another group?

Did the bird remember of her? Recognize her from something? Had she got any relevant prior relationship with the bird? Was she part of another group that analysed the bird? That was going to analyse him?

Was Anna recognised because she had some food in a pocket? She had smell of food on the hands? She had made something negative to some other bird? Was Anna image shown in news? Was the bird trained to recognize Anna? People like Anna?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Missing At The Zoo

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:14 pm

She was a spy? No
She was in contrast with the group? She wanted to discover and steal the theories of the group? She was from another country? Another group? None of these are accurate

Did the bird remember of her? Yes Recognize her from something? No
Had she got any relevant prior relationship with the bird? Yes, very relevant
Was she part of another group that analysed the bird? That was going to analyse him? No to these

Was Anna recognised because she had some food in a pocket? She had smell of food on the hands? She had made something negative to some other bird? No to all
Was Anna image shown in news? Yes, at one point in time
Was the bird trained to recognize Anna? Not exactly but this is on the right track People like Anna? No
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