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[Balin] 128 (*DEDUCED*)

Postby Balin » Sun May 26, 2019 11:14 pm

He was right despite being 20 years early. How?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby WiZ » Sun May 26, 2019 11:57 pm

He = HAM?

Did he answer a question? Make a prediction? Propose a theory?

Was he deemed right at the time, despite some aspect of his answer being 20 years early? Was he wrong at the time, but circumstances changed 20 years later to vindicate him in hindsight?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Earnest » Mon May 27, 2019 7:58 am

He was right = took a right decision? He judged someone in a right way? He was right about something = an event? A building? A scientific fact? Did he formulate a sentence? Made a speech? Answer a question?

Early with respect to what he was right about? Did he know to be right? Did he know what would have happened 20 years later? Was it recognized that he was right 20 years later? Early = too early? Early to see the proof that he was right? If so is the impossibility dye to technology? Natural events? Legal imoediments? Children not yet grown up? Others?

Could anyone be right on the topic 20 years early? Are the 20 years a relevant time period? Could it have been 10 years instead? 5? 50? Are we talking about years as 365 days? Regular years? Is a game being played? E.g. trivial pursuit?

Was he totally right? Partially (e.g. he was asked when Bastille was taken and he replied "on the 14th of july" which is right, but when he was asked the year he replied with a date that was 30 years earlier tham the correct one?)?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Mon May 27, 2019 1:00 pm

He = HAM? Yes

Did he answer a question? Make a prediction? Propose a theory? Yesish

Was he deemed right at the time Yes despite some aspect of his answer being 20 years early? Of his answer, No Was he wrong at the time, but circumstances changed 20 years later to vindicate him in hindsight? No

He was right = took a right decision? I wouldn't call it a "decision" He judged someone in a right way? Nor a "judgment" He was right about something = an event? This-ish A building? A scientific fact? No to these Did he formulate a sentence? Made a speech? Answer a question? Combination of speech/sentence/dialogue

Early with respect to what he was right about? No Did he know to be right? Yes Did he know what would have happened 20 years later? No Was it recognized that he was right 20 years later? See above Early = too early? Yes Early to see the proof that he was right? No If so is the impossibility dye to technology? Natural events? Legal imoediments? Children not yet grown up? Others? None of these

Could anyone be right on the topic 20 years early? No/Yope Are the 20 years a relevant time period? Yes Could it have been 10 years instead? 5? 50? No Are we talking about years as 365 days? Yes Regular years? Yes Is a game being played? No E.g. trivial pursuit? No

Was he totally right? Yes Partially (e.g. he was asked when Bastille was taken and he replied "on the 14th of july" which is right, but when he was asked the year he replied with a date that was 30 years earlier tham the correct one?)?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Earnest » Mon May 27, 2019 1:51 pm

At the time of the sentence, did he know to be exactly 20 years early? Relevant when he made the sentence/proposed the theory? In modern times? War times? Earlier than 1800? Later than 1950? Country disparities relevant? (e.g. a country being more developed with respect to others) Relevant his name? His age at the time of the sentence? His age 20 years later? Was he relevantly dead 20 years later? Are recurrences relevant? Memories? Anniversaries? Celebrations?

Was he right about: sport? Politics? Geography? Discoveries? Food? Business? Economy? Technology? Health care? World population? Climate change? Pollution? Duration of an event? About himself? His family? His hobby? Someone related to him? Baldness? His physical aspect? His health status?

Could the 20 years gap be measured at the time he said the sentence ( I mean: could it have been determined at the time of the sentence that he was 20 years early?)? Are "years ' measurements" relevant? (e.g. 20 years at the speed of light around the earth are hours...I imagine him saying something about something on Mars) Did he specify the 20 years gap while making the sentence? Did he discover it later on? If so seconds after? Hours? years? 20 years? Movies relevant? Books? (e.g. the author of a book wrote down a speech for one of his characters who was right 20 years early)
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:12 pm

At the time of the sentence, did he know to be exactly 20 years early? No Relevant when he made the sentence/proposed the theory? Yes In modern times? Yes (but not "today"-modern) War times? Earlier than 1800? Later than 1950? Yes
Country disparities relevant? (e.g. a country being more developed with respect to others) Relevant his name? His age at the time of the sentence? His age 20 years later? Was he relevantly dead 20 years later? Are recurrences relevant? Memories? Anniversaries? Celebrations? No to these

Was he right about: sport? Politics? Geography? Discoveries? Food? Business? Economy? Technology? Health care? World population? Climate change? Pollution? Duration of an event? About himself? His family? His hobby? Someone related to him? Baldness? His physical aspect? His health status? None of these, with a thin Yope to "food"

Could the 20 years gap be measured at the time he said the sentence ( I mean: could it have been determined at the time of the sentence that he was 20 years early?)? Yes Are "years ' measurements" relevant? (e.g. 20 years at the speed of light around the earth are hours...I imagine him saying something about something on Mars) No Did he specify the 20 years gap while making the sentence? No Did he discover it later on? No If so seconds after? Hours? years? 20 years?
Movies relevant? Yes! Books? No (e.g. the author of a book wrote down a speech for one of his characters who was right 20 years early) But this is very OTRT!!
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:03 pm

Is “he” a character in the movie? A writer? Director? Actor? Someone else immediately associated with the movie? A fan? Some other third party?

Is the 20 years representative of the time between two movies? Between a movie and it’s sequel? Between a movie and its remake? Between a work of fiction and its film adaptation? Between a true event and its film adaptation? Between the comment and the film release? Between the movie release and some other event?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:27 pm

Is “he” a character in the movie? This A writer? Director? Actor? Someone else immediately associated with the movie? A fan? Some other third party?

Is the 20 years representative of the time between two movies? Between a movie and it’s sequel? Between a movie and its remake? Between a work of fiction and its film adaptation? Between a true event and its film adaptation? No to these
Between the comment and the film release? Between the movie release and some other event? No to these either, but they're closer to the right track
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:19 pm

Was the movie put into scenes? If so, was the movies futuristic for the time? Did it make predictions that revealed themselves to be right later on? About technology? About politics? About the world in general? About environment/pollution? Economics? Prices? Resources? Where something will be placed in 20 years? Stars relevant? Did he talk about something that has been calculated that in 20 years would have been in a certain place/ would have been like he said? Space relevant?

Did he say it at the end of a movie?, at the beginning? In the middle? Relevant? Relevant his age? Was he a man from the future? From 20 years in the future? Is the time of the story of the movie relevant? 20 years before the present? Is the time of the movie release relevant? 20 years before?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:42 am

Was the movie put into scenes? Yes If so, was the movies futuristic for the time? No Did it make predictions that revealed themselves to be right later on? No About technology? About politics? About the world in general? About environment/pollution? Economics? Prices? Resources? Where something will be placed in 20 years? Stars relevant? Did he talk about something that has been calculated that in 20 years would have been in a certain place/ would have been like he said? Space relevant? No to these

Did he say it at the end of a movie?, at the beginning? In the middle? This Relevant? A little Relevant his age? No Was he a man from the future? No From 20 years in the future? No Is the time of the story of the movie relevant? Yes! 20 years before the present? Yes Is the time of the movie release relevant? 20 years before? You've got the time gap - the movie takes place 20-plus years before it was released.
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:22 am

So basically if we call the present t, the movie was made in t-20 and takes place in t-20, but it was released in t right? If so, relevant the reasons why it has been released 20 years later? Was it complete? Had it been completed by others than the original director? Was it voluntarily not released for 20 years?

Was the sentence referred to a person? To someone specifically? To the actor himself? To the charachter represented by the actor? Is the movie historical? Fantasy? Fictional? Science? Romantic? Realistic?, others? Relevant? To the release of the movie (e.g. it has been announced that the movie would have been realesed 20 years later)? Is a testament relevant?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:52 am

So basically if we call the present t, the movie was made in t-20 and takes place in t-20, but it was released in t right? No - it's actually set about 30 years before the year of its release. I'll give the timeline If so, relevant the reasons why it has been released 20 years later? See previous Was it complete? Yes Had it been completed by others than the original director? Was it voluntarily not released for 20 years? No to both

Timeline (and I'll give the years):
A movie set in the 1970s was released in 2009 The 20-year gap refers to the '70s setting and something that took place in 1997.


Was the sentence referred to a person? To someone specifically? To the actor himself? To the charachter represented by the actor? No/Irrel to all
Is the movie historical? Fantasy? Fictional? Science? Romantic? Realistic?, others? Action comedy Relevant? Only if you want to identify the film To the release of the movie (e.g. it has been announced that the movie would have been realesed 20 years later)? No Is a testament relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:05 am

Did he know that he would have been right 20 years later? Has the speech been modified at the time of the release in order to match the facts of 1997?

Was he right about: an habit? An every day action? A mode? Usage of a tool? (E.g. stereo) food habits? Habits in a place (e.g. open air cinemas/ cinemas/ restaurants/stadiums) did he take inspiration from an expiration date? (of a food? Of a licence? Of a document? Of something else?) Are hot dogs relevant? Hard rock coffee? Mc Donalds? A chain that became famous later on? Police relevant? Shops? Shopping? Music? Movies?
Somethibg that was used in 70's but that has been removed in 1997? Substituted in 1997? If so through a law? (E.g. signs/symbols; apartheid relevant? Alchol?) Bans relevant? Drunk people? Poor people?

Could a similar prediction be made nowadays? On the same topic?

Did the prediction reveal itself true just because it has been told in the movie (e.g. the charachter says "one day this place will be called Hard rock"; someone saw the movie and had the idea of building up Hard rock chain)?
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:49 am

Did he know that he would have been right 20 years later? No Has the speech been modified at the time of the release in order to match the facts of 1997? No!

Was he right about: an habit? An every day action? A mode? Usage of a tool? (E.g. stereo) food habits? Habits in a place (e.g. open air cinemas/ cinemas/ restaurants/stadiums) did he take inspiration from an expiration date? (of a food? Of a licence? Of a document? Of something else?) Are hot dogs relevant? Hard rock coffee? Mc Donalds? A chain that became famous later on? Police relevant? Shops? Shopping? Music? Movies? No to all (other than that this takes place in a movie)
Somethibg that was used in 70's but that has been removed in 1997? Substituted in 1997? If so through a law? (E.g. signs/symbols; apartheid relevant? Alchol?) Bans relevant? Drunk people? Poor people? No to all

Could a similar prediction be made nowadays? On the same topic? Technically, but unlikely

Did the prediction reveal itself true just because it has been told in the movie (e.g. the charachter says "one day this place will be called Hard rock"; someone saw the movie and had the idea of building up Hard rock chain)? No - and you have an FA; the character's correctness is entirely within the movie, not outside it.

(And feel free to use Google.)
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Re: [Balin] 128

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:48 am

I'm going to just spoil this one.

****SPOILER****

The 2009 movie Black Dynamite contains a scene containing a long leap of logic that uncovers a conspiracy. One of those links in the chain involves the area code of Topeka, Kansas being 785. However, Black Dynamite is set in the 1970s, when Topeka's area code was 913; it did not become 785 until 1997, so the character's deduction is correct despite its including a piece of information that was 20 years early.
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