[nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

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[nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:46 pm

The first Presidential candidate Tom ever voted for ran for President when Tom was a baby.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:46 am

Welcome to the forum!
Tom: now H? A? M? Baby: 0-3 years old? Did Tom vote for the candidate when Tom was an adult? Did the candidate run for president more than one time? For president of more than one country or organization? Did Tom vote for a candidate to the US presidency? Is voting fraud relevant?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby trebor » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:46 am

Welcome!

Tom1 = Tom2?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby gregoryuconn » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:51 pm

Did the candidate win when Tom was a baby? Did this happen in the US? Term limits relevant? Was the candidate some random perennial candidate who's run in a bunch of elections but never come close to winning? Was the candidate running for class President of Tom's preschool?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby peter365 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:25 am

Welcome to the forum !

Is spoiling your vote relevant?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:29 pm

GalFisk wrote:Welcome to the forum!
Tom: now H? A? M? Baby: 0-3 years old?


Yes to all three but gender is irrelevant. Yes to the age question.

GalFisk wrote:Did Tom vote for the candidate when Tom was an adult?

Yes

GalFisk wrote:Did the candidate run for president more than one time?

No

GalFisk wrote:For president of more than one country or organization? Did Tom vote for a candidate to the US presidency? Is voting fraud relevant?


No to all.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:30 pm

trebor wrote:Welcome!

Tom1 = Tom2?

Yes
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:31 pm

gregoryuconn wrote:Did the candidate win when Tom was a baby?


Yes.

gregoryuconn wrote:Did this happen in the US?

Yes.

gregoryuconn wrote:Term limits relevant?

No.

gregoryuconn wrote: the candidate some random perennial candidate who's run in a bunch of elections but never come close to winning? Was the candidate running for class President of Tom's preschool?

No to both.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:37 pm

peter365 wrote:Welcome to the forum !

Is spoiling your vote relevant?

No.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:51 am

Did the person run for president of a country? Company? Organization? Group? Fictional country? Games relevant? The board game Junta?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:55 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did the person run for president of a country? Company? Organization? Group? Fictional country? Games relevant? The board game Junta?

Country
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:08 pm

So the puzzle statement can be reformulated as " The first Presidential candidate Tom ever voted for ran for President when he (Tom) was a baby."? Does it mean that Tom has been voted when he himself was a baby (with years computed with christian years)?

Has he been voted by someone else? Did he ran for an official election? Was it a joke? Did he become legally a president later on?, when he was a baby,?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:45 am

Earnest wrote:So the puzzle statement can be reformulated as " The first Presidential candidate Tom ever voted for ran for President when he (Tom) was a baby."? Does it mean that Tom has been voted when he himself was a baby (with years computed with christian years)?

Has he been voted by someone else? Did he ran for an official election? Was it a joke? Did he become legally a president later on?, when he was a baby,?

No, Tom was never the candidate.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby trebor » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:09 am

Hmm. I thought I posted a few questions yesterday, but I guess not.

Is Tom's birthday February 29th? Did Tom actually vote for this candidate in the federal election in which the candidate ran? Did he vote for him in another poll or something? ("Who was your favourite unsuccessful presidential candidate", or whatever?) Are there alternate meanings of the words president, presidential, or ran at play here?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 am

Did Tom vote for the candidate legally? In an official election? Dis he vote for hin later on (e.g. the candidate ran twice: first when Tom was a baby and later on when he could vote)?

Are voters with the same name relevant (e.g. Tom had the same name/surname of a voter...e.g. his father)? Are candidates with the same name relevant? Did Tom enter the voting booth with one of his parents? Did Tom enter the voting booth when he was a baby? Did he put an X on the name of the candidate? Did one of the parent dress him with a t-shirt with the writing "I voted for (name of the candidate) "? Relevant the name of the candidate? Did tom have relevant relationship with the candidate?

Tim burthon relevant? (He looks a baby but he is aged)
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby gregoryuconn » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:08 am

Are those push-lever things they used to use in New York, among other places, relevant? I recall reading some story about some little kid whose dad took him into the voting booth and the kid thought it would be so hillarious to pull the level to complete the voting process before the dad had finished voting? Is it something along those lines? Where Baby Tom thought it would be so funny to do something like that and pull the thingy for one of the presidential candidates and then the big lever to submit the vote and the dad couldn't stop him?

Did one of Tom's parents have him (as a baby) fill out their ballot out of protest?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:26 pm

trebor wrote:Hmm. I thought I posted a few questions yesterday, but I guess not.

Is Tom's birthday February 29th? Did Tom actually vote for this candidate in the federal election in which the candidate ran? Did he vote for him in another poll or something? ("Who was your favourite unsuccessful presidential candidate", or whatever?) Are there alternate meanings of the words president, presidential, or ran at play here?

Birthday is irrelevant. Second question is yes. This was a vote for an actual political office, not a poll, and there's no alternate meanings to those words in place.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:32 pm

Earnest wrote:Did Tom vote for the candidate legally?

Yes

Earnest wrote:In an official election?

Yes

Earnest wrote:Dis he vote for hin later on (e.g. the candidate ran twice: first when Tom was a baby and later on when he could vote)?

Yes

Earnest wrote:Are voters with the same name relevant (e.g. Tom had the same name/surname of a voter...e.g. his father)? Are candidates with the same name relevant? Did Tom enter the voting booth with one of his parents? Did Tom enter the voting booth when he was a baby? Did he put an X on the name of the candidate? Did one of the parent dress him with a t-shirt with the writing "I voted for (name of the candidate) "? Relevant the name of the candidate? Did tom have relevant relationship with the candidate?

Tim burthon relevant? (He looks a baby but he is aged)

None of that is relevant.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:33 pm

gregoryuconn wrote:Are those push-lever things they used to use in New York, among other places, relevant? I recall reading some story about some little kid whose dad took him into the voting booth and the kid thought it would be so hillarious to pull the level to complete the voting process before the dad had finished voting? Is it something along those lines? Where Baby Tom thought it would be so funny to do something like that and pull the thingy for one of the presidential candidates and then the big lever to submit the vote and the dad couldn't stop him?

Did one of Tom's parents have him (as a baby) fill out their ballot out of protest?

Not relevant. Tom cast this vote as an adult.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby Earnest » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:08 am

So does the puzzle refer to the second time he voted for the candidate? When he was in the legal age for voting?
Had the legal age for voting decreased for a period? (e.g. it was war time and there were not enough people to vote?)?

Did the candidate ran for the same political position twice? President both times?

Did the candidate win any of the elections? The first one? The second? Was Tom aware that the candidate ran twice? Was Tom part of the electoral campaign? Did Tom remember that the candidate first ran when he was a baby? Did he not? Did he vote for him because he remembered? Because he did not? Because of the promises of the candidate? The promises made in the actual campaign? The ones made when he was a baby? Did he remember that his oarents voted for him? Did not vote for him? Did he genuinely like the candidate politically? His proposes? Or maybe there were no alternatives? Relevant the party of the candidate? His rivals?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:07 pm

Earnest wrote:So does the puzzle refer to the second time he voted for the candidate? When he was in the legal age for voting?
Had the legal age for voting decreased for a period? (e.g. it was war time and there were not enough people to vote?)?


Voting age did not decrease. He only voted for the candidate once.

Earnest wrote:Did the candidate ran for the same political position twice? President both times?

No.

Earnest wrote:Did the candidate win any of the elections? The first one?

No.

Earnest wrote:The second?

Irrelevant.

Earnest wrote:Was Tom aware that the candidate ran twice? Was Tom part of the electoral campaign?

Irrelevant to both, although it's very very unlikely he was not aware the candidate ran twice.

Earnest wrote:Did Tom remember that the candidate first ran when he was a baby? Did he not? Did he vote for him because he remembered? Because he did not? Because of the promises of the candidate? The promises made in the actual campaign? The ones made when he was a baby? Did he remember that his parents voted for him? Did not vote for him? Did he genuinely like the candidate politically? His proposes? Or maybe there were no alternatives? Relevant the party of the candidate? His rivals?

His reasons for voting for the candidate are irrelevant, he voted for him simply because he voted for that candidate's party straight ticket.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:09 pm

I'll give possibly a big hint here: This isn't a hypothetical. My name isn't Tom, but this applied to me.
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:22 am

Ok maybe it's me...but I cannot see anything strange here: a candidate run for presidential election twice. First time when Tom was a child and second time when he was an adult. Tom voted for him when he was an adult. So what are we meant to discover here? Again, sorry but I cannot see the point :)

Could Tom have voted for other elections before the relevant one? Does he vote from the country for which the candidate ran for being President? Fro abroad? relevant? Was he aware of the promises made by the candidate? Was it simply a coincidence that he voted for the relevant candidate?
Was the candidate very old when tom voted for him? Was there a war? A relevant event? Relevant which party they wanted to defeat? Which party the candidate belonged to? The job/social condition of Tom? Was tom a soldier? Was him poor? Rich? Black? White? Belonging to some religion/culture? Was the candidate famous? If so for something he did the first time he ran? Were the first elections regular? Were the second?
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Re: [nostalgichold] Tom's first vote

Postby nostalgichold » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:31 am

Earnest wrote:Ok maybe it's me...but I cannot see anything strange here: a candidate run for presidential election twice. First time when Tom was a child and second time when he was an adult. Tom voted for him when he was an adult. So what are we meant to discover here? Again, sorry but I cannot see the point :)


The candidate did NOT run for President twice.

Remember this is not a hypothetical. This actually happened.

Earnest wrote:Could Tom have voted for other elections before the relevant one?

Not counting the primary or hypothetical special elections or hyper-local ones, no.

Earnest wrote:Does he vote from the country for which the candidate ran for being President?

Yes. Not relevant though.

Earnest wrote:Was he aware of the promises made by the candidate?

Yes but irrelevant.

Earnest wrote:Was it simply a coincidence that he voted for the relevant candidate?

I wouldn't say that.

Let me just put it this way: Tom's motivations for his vote aren't important.

Earnest wrote:Was the candidate very old when tom voted for him?

Yes, but irrelevant.

Earnest wrote:Was there a war? A relevant event? Relevant which party they wanted to defeat? Which party the candidate belonged to? The job/social condition of Tom? Was tom a soldier?

No war. There WAS a "relevant event" to the party the candidate belonged to that resulted in him being the candidate though. Tom's job is not relevant.

Earnest wrote:Was him poor? Rich? Black? White? Belonging to some religion/culture?

Irrelevant. Basically the only relevant thing about Tom is his age.

Earnest wrote:Was the candidate famous? If so for something he did the first time he ran?

Yes. Famous for simply being a presidential candidate and the office he held prior to running.
Hint: He did not hold any political office between the two elections.
Another hint: He only ran for President once, but that is not the only time he was part of a Presidential campaign.

Earnest wrote:Were the first elections regular? Were the second?

Yes on the first election. The second depends on your definition of "regular", while the election was regular in that it was held on a normally scheduled election time, it had an event take place during it that was definitely not "regular".
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