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[JenBurdoo] The welcher

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:38 pm

True story: A soldier was court-martialed for "disrespect to an officer." His defense was that he was moved by compassion. What was the specific offense?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:29 am

Soldier and officer HAM? HAF? Maybe soldier = HAM and officer HAF? Is an act of piety relevant? Is the act considered commonly (i.e. in every-day life of non soldiers) disrespectful? E.g. had it been done by an employee "against" the boss? Or maybe an act of kindness? A due act?

Does the officer belong to a minority? Racism relevant? Religion? Culture?

Relevant the situation in which it has been made? During a war? During an action? During training? Was the soldier court-martialed by the officer? Relevant to which branch of the army the soldier belonged? Navy? Ground troops? Aereonautical group? Was the soldier a veteran? A freshman? Was the soldier still in the army (maybe he was retired/dismissal)?

"moved by compassion" --> was the officer facing difficulties? Was the officer in trouble? In an embarrassing situation? Was the officer stutterer?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:30 pm

Soldier and officer HAM? The soldier - yes. The officer - Adult and male, but not human. HAF? Maybe soldier = HAM and officer HAF? Is an act of piety relevant? No. Is the act considered commonly (i.e. in every-day life of non soldiers) disrespectful? No. E.g. had it been done by an employee "against" the boss? It was against regulations. Or maybe an act of kindness? Yes. A due act? No.

Does the officer belong to a minority? Racism relevant? Religion? Culture? For SVV of culture, no to the others.

Relevant the situation in which it has been made? Yes. During a war? Irr. During an action? No. During training? No. Was the soldier court-martialed by the officer? No. Relevant to which branch of the army the soldier belonged? Army, but irrelevant. Navy? Ground troops? Aereonautical group? Was the soldier a veteran? A freshman? Quite junior. Was the soldier still in the army (maybe he was retired/dismissal)? He was on active duty.

"moved by compassion" --> was the officer facing difficulties? Yes. Was the officer in trouble? No. In an embarrassing situation? Yes. Was the officer stutterer? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:15 pm

Non-human officer: dog? Cat? Bird? Horse? Robot? Did the soldier correct the officer's collar/halter/decorations/other manmade object attached to an animal?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:55 am

Non-human officer: dog? Cat? Bird? Horse? Robot? A goat. Did the soldier correct the officer's collar/halter/decorations/other manmade object attached to an animal? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:03 am

Was the goat wearing anything? Did it chew on something inappropriate? Headbutt something or someone? Was it trained? Was it a mascot?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:37 am

officer = a member of an armed forces or uniformed service who holds a position of authority? So the goat could give orders to the soldiers (had she been able to do so)? Was it known to anyone that the goat was an officer? Was the goat doing something relevant? Was the goat recognizable? Relevantly dressed up as an officer?

Milk the goat relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:09 pm

Was the goat wearing anything? Yes. Did it chew on something inappropriate? No. Headbutt something or someone? No. Was it trained? Irr. Was it a mascot? Yesish.

officer = a member of an armed forces or uniformed service who holds a position of authority? Yesish. So the goat could give orders to the soldiers (had she been able to do so)? No, but they would stand to attention when the goat passed. Was it known to anyone that the goat was an officer? Yes. Was the goat doing something relevant? Yes. Was the goat recognizable? Yes. Relevantly dressed up as an officer? Yes, though probably not at the time of the offense.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:57 am

was the goat eating? Eating grass? Trying to march? To do something that a soldier was supposed to do?

Was the goat supposed relevantly to behave as a human being ?Horns relevant? Clothing?

Did the soldier: attract the goat with food? Mow the goat (e.g. it was summer)? Try to take care of the goat as if it was a pet?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:53 pm

was the goat eating? Eating grass? Trying to march? To do something that a soldier was supposed to do? None of these.

Was the goat supposed relevantly to behave as a human being? YMMV.. Horns relevant? No. Clothing? No.

Did the soldier: attract the goat with food? No. Mow the goat (e.g. it was summer)? No. Try to take care of the goat as if it was a pet? What he did is sometimes done with pets, but more commonly with livestock.
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Postby gregoryuconn » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:43 am

Bestiality?
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Postby klondike mary » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:34 am

Sports relevant? College Sports?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:22 am

Bestiality? No...

Sports relevant? College Sports? No.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:48 pm

Was the goat in service at the moment of the offense? Maybe the goat had a leash? Was him the soldier taking the goat on a leash? Bodily needs relevant? Was the goat supposed to provide for something? Supposed to be helped? Supposed to be helped by someone else? Was the soldier under the goats' command? Did he take care of the goat? Did he usually see the goat? Help the goat? Serve the goat? Was the goat free to move? In a cage?
Did the soldier feed the goat? Maybe he threw the food (or maybe fodder) to the goat? Was the soldier in service? Was he supposed to have contacts with the goat? Was he supposed to stand at attention in front of the goat?
had the soldier no other way to help the goat? Was he truly moved by compassion? Was it raining? Meteorological conditions relevant? Place relevant? Rights of the goat as an officer?

What he did is sometimes done with pets, but more commonly with livestock. --> is the way in which he did it more than the fact that he did it the offense? i.e. had the soldier done it the way it is usually done with pets (or in a more formal way) would he have been court-martialed? Food relevant? Giving food? Was the goat: eating/trying to eat? Making biological needs? Making something usually done by livestocks/animals? Sexual acts? Trying to get unstuck (e.g. the horns of the goat got stuck somewhere)?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:37 pm

Was the goat in service at the moment of the offense? Yes. Maybe the goat had a leash? Assume yes. Was him the soldier taking the goat on a leash? Assume yes. Bodily needs relevant? Yes. Was the goat supposed to provide for something? No. Supposed to be helped? No. Supposed to be helped by someone else? Most likely. Was the soldier under the goats' command? No. Did he take care of the goat? Yes. Did he usually see the goat? Yes. Help the goat? No. Serve the goat? No. Was the goat free to move? Usually. In a cage? No.
Did the soldier feed the goat? No. Maybe he threw the food (or maybe fodder) to the goat? No. Was the soldier in service? Yes. Was he supposed to have contacts with the goat? Yes. Was he supposed to stand at attention in front of the goat? Not relevantly.
had the soldier no other way to help the goat? Correct. Was he truly moved by compassion? Irr, but possible. Was it raining? No. Meteorological conditions relevant? No. Place relevant? A general type of place. Rights of the goat as an officer? No.

What he did is sometimes done with pets, but more commonly with livestock. --> is the way in which he did it more than the fact that he did it the offense? I'd say yes; he could have gone about it differently. i.e. had the soldier done it the way it is usually done with pets (or in a more formal way) would he have been court-martialed? Yes. Food relevant? No. Giving food? No. Was the goat: eating/trying to eat? No. Making biological needs? Yes. Making something usually done by livestocks/animals? Yes. Sexual acts? This. Trying to get unstuck (e.g. the horns of the goat got stuck somewhere)? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The welcher

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:06 pm

Recap: The goat was a mascot. Sexual acts are relevant. The soldier assisted the goat in a relevant way. (Bestiality is not relevant.)
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