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[WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:27 pm

What is it that always gives a friendly greeting then immediately retracts the sentiment?

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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby trebor » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:43 am

Is it a living thing? An electronic thing? Is the recipient of the greeting human? Does the recipient hear the greeting? See it? Read it? Infer it? (Like arms spread to suggest a hug?)

Would one encounter this thing at home? At work? In an office? While driving? When using certain electronic devices? While at a relevant location?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:15 am

What is it that --> a human? An object? Something written? A device? A display? A voice? A song? A chorus? A vending machine? An homeless if you do not give money (ok this was a bit severe)? Something used by people daily? To be sure: does "it" retracts just the sentiment? Also the greeting? Relevant? (e.g. the morning news when giving bad news: at least in Italy they always say goof morning and then "sadly we have bad news..."; whether forecasts? Something referring to periods of the day? Mood (e.g. astrology)? Bills?) Is it a light? Something working intermittently? Does it greet frequently? Is it found in the streets? Outside? Inside buildings? Inside specific places? In pockets of people?

Friendly greeting: good morning/afternoon/evening/night? "How are you"? A specific greeting for a part of the year (e.g. merry Christmas?)? God bless you? Or maybe a generic greeting with a smile? Relevant? I mean, relevant what friendly specifically means? It calls you" friend"? Is it genuinely friendly? Programmed to be friendly?

then immediately retracts the sentiment --> meaning that it is no more friendly? That "it" immediately contradicts itself? If so with a gesture? A request? A sentence? Does "it" behave like this with everyone it greets? Does it reply to a greeting made by someone? Or does it greet first? Does he retract by offending? By being angry? By threatening? By singing? By writing? By giving orders? By being aseptic/not expressing feelings?

Police relevant? Suspects? Law? Can it be coherent with the friendly greeting? If not because: it is illegal? It is famous for not being so? It communicated sad news/info? It must not communicate any feeling?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:09 pm

It's not Groucho Marx, is it?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:29 pm

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Is it a living thing? no An electronic thing? no Is the recipient of the greeting human? yes Does the recipient hear the greeting? no See it? Read it? yes to both Infer it? (Like arms spread to suggest a hug?) no

Would one encounter this thing at home? yes, but not invariably At work? Yes, but even less invariably In an office? this is unlikely While driving? this is even less likely When using certain electronic devices? no While at a relevant location? yes

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What is it that --> a human? An object? no to both Something written? yes A device? no A display? often A voice? potentially, but this is not how we would normally conceive of it A song? sometimes, relevantly A chorus? no A vending machine? No. Not even one that dispenses Cartesian dualism An homeless if you do not give money no (ok this was a bit severe)? yes, it was Something used by people daily? yes, to some extent To be sure: does "it" retracts just the sentiment? Also the greeting? I would say it retracts both Relevant? (e.g. the morning news when giving bad news: at least in Italy they always say goof morning and then "sadly we have bad news..."

That sounds very similar to a joke in English that says 'The evening news: They begin by saying 'Good day' and then spent an hour telling you why it wasn't'

; whether forecasts? no Something referring to periods of the day? no Mood (e.g. astrology)? no Bills? no Is it a light? no Something working intermittently? no Does it greet frequently? yope Is it found in the streets? Outside? typically no to these Inside buildings? yes Inside specific places? yes In pockets of people? very rarely, if ever

Friendly greeting: good morning/afternoon/evening/night? "How are you"? no to both A specific greeting for a part of the year (e.g. merry Christmas?)? no (that was the last puzzle) God bless you? no Or maybe a generic greeting with a smile? no, less generic than this Relevant? I mean, relevant what friendly specifically means? no, don't dig too deep into this It calls you" friend"? no Is it genuinely friendly? no Programmed to be friendly? no, but closer

then immediately retracts the sentiment --> meaning that it is no more friendly? no That "it" immediately contradicts itself? 'contradicts' isn't quite right If so with a gesture? no A request? no A sentence? noish to yope Does "it" behave like this with everyone it greets? yes Does it reply to a greeting made by someone? no Or does it greet first? yes Does he retract by offending? By being angry? By threatening? By singing? By writing? By giving orders? By being aseptic/not expressing feelings? no to all, but good question

Police relevant? Suspects? Law? no to all Can it be coherent with the friendly greeting? the answer at face value is yes, but the placement of this question makes me think I'm missing something If not because: it is illegal? It is famous for not being so? It communicated sad news/info? It must not communicate any feeling? no to all

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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby gregoryuconn » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:07 am

"Good morning to everyone except so-and-so" or something along those lines?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:49 am

"Good morning to everyone except so-and-so" or something along those lines? no
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:11 pm

Would this be seen in a car? On a phone? On a computer?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:05 pm

Would this be seen in a car? no On a phone? no to yope, depending on the phone On a computer? yope
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:03 am

Too be sure: are we talking about English greetings? Can we assume English language?

A song? sometimes, relevantly -->a famous song? A song lasting more than 10 seconds? More than a minute? More than 2 minutes? A popular song? is the song of Windows/Mac relevant? Does the song have words or is it a melody with a writing (a greeting) appearing? Does it greet every time it is turned on/off? Screen savers relevant? Is stock Exchange relevant? Anything related to something that starts? With rushing? Does it ask for instructions after having made the greeting?

Can we assume that the greeting is simply "Hello (name)"? Is a login required? E.g. the writing displays "Hello, nice to see you" and then asks "who you are", i.e. it asks for your credentials? Connection with other devices relevant? Can we assume that "it" refers to a monitor? A screen? Something connected with a software? An iPod? iPad? Touch screen relevant? Unlocking something relevant? Gaming relevant? Insert coin?

Automatic orders relevant? (E.g. in Mac Donald)? Payments/transactions relevant? Does it greet at the beginning of a relevant action? At the end? (e.g. withdrawing money? paying for highway: the display shows "thank you and good bye" and retracts the sentiment if you do not pay or you pay less than due) Does it workers using a certain device? Costumers? Does it greet automatically? As soon as a device is turned on/off? As soon as a door is opened (e.g. welcome)? As soon as a screen is touched? As soon as a relevant action is made? An infraction?

Relevant "how" it retreats the sentiment t? Can we say that it is no more friendly? Can it be easily perceived? If so by reading it? By hearing it? By stopping the interaction with it? (e.g. it says goodbye and automatically blocks itself if it perceive a violation/a password is given wrongly?) Maybe it does not respond to commands? Or it does but in a wrong way? Is it meant to be used by humans?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:41 am

Too be sure: are we talking about English greetings? Can we assume English language? yes to both

A song? sometimes, relevantly -->a famous song? yes A song lasting more than 10 seconds? yes More than a minute? no (and no to rest) More than 2 minutes? A popular song? yope is the song of Windows/Mac relevant? no Does the song have words no or is it a melody with a writing (a greeting) appearing? I will say yes to this Does it greet every time it is turned on/off? not simply by virtue of being 'turned on', as it were Screen savers relevant? no Is stock Exchange relevant? no Anything related to something that starts? With rushing? Does it ask for instructions after having made the greeting? no to these

Can we assume that the greeting is simply "Hello (name)"? No, in both letter and spirit Is a login required? no E.g. the writing displays "Hello, nice to see you" and then asks "who you are", i.e. it asks for your credentials? no, not like this Connection with other devices relevant? no Can we assume that "it" refers to a monitor? A screen? Something connected with a software? An iPod? iPad? Touch screen relevant? Unlocking something relevant? Gaming relevant? Insert coin? no to all of these, to any meaningful extent

Automatic orders relevant? (E.g. in Mac Donald)? no Payments/transactions relevant? no Does it greet at the beginning of a relevant action? At the end? no to both (e.g. withdrawing money? paying for highway: the display shows "thank you and good bye" and retracts the sentiment if you do not pay or you pay less than due) Does it workers using a certain device? no Costumers? no (and also no to 'customers', just in case) Does it greet automatically? yes As soon as a device is turned on/off? As soon as a door is opened (e.g. welcome)? As soon as a screen is touched? As soon as a relevant action is made? An infraction? no to all of these

Relevant "how" it retreats the sentiment t? yes Can we say that it is no more friendly? it's not actively unfriendly, but it does away with any perceived friendliness up to that point Can it be easily perceived? If so by reading it? yes to both By hearing it? no, this is apt not to be interpreted in the same way By stopping the interaction with it? (e.g. it says goodbye and automatically blocks itself if it perceive a violation/a password is given wrongly?) no Maybe it does not respond to commands? In general, it does not respond to commands Or it does but in a wrong way? no Is it meant to be used by humans? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:57 am

To be sure: it is a digital device right? (nothing like writings on a book/piece of paper opened by people or a mat with the writing "welcome"...)? And we are talking about people in general (and not people belonging to a social group/minority or whatsoever) right? Bluetooth/connections relevant? Internet connection (e.g. friendly writing and suddenly "no internet connection" or "insert more coins to carry on the interaction" or "insufficient funds")?

Is the song (or the relevant part of the song) mainly: a carillon song? A song sung at concerts? Part of a popular song? Part of a modern song? An instrumental song? A song that can be listened to the radio? In advertisement? Voicemail? Answering machines? While the relevant device greets (i.e. automatically)? Before? After? Never (i.e. it is a song that describes such a scene)?

Is the screen always of the same dimensions? Can the screens be seen by more than a person? Are they huge? Fixed somewhere? Portable? Placed near an entrance/exit? Is it checked as a timetable screen? Does the greeting appear as soon as: a screen is touched? A movement is made (and maybe perceived by a sensor/camera)? A threshold/door is crossed? A street is crossed? A service is required? A payment is made? Fingerprints relevant?

Inside buildings? yes Inside specific places? yes --> places of business? Shops? Houses (i.e. Alexa system...which is not but still...?)? In public places (e.g. airports? Train stations? Others?)? Supermarkets? Skyscrapers? Sushi? Restaurants? Theaters? Cinemas? Churches? Parking lots? Hotels? Libraries? Museums?

Can it greet two people at a time? Does it work as a traffic light/turnstile? I mean: it has like flashing lights...I imagine something like a green hand waving immediately followed by a red hand in the gesture of stop. Does it ask for

Relevant "how" it retreats the sentiment t? yes ---> does the user read something different from the starting greeting? Does the writing change? Does a song stop?

writing like "how can I help you" relevant? Separating glasses relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:49 am

To be sure: it is a digital device right? no (either in essence or necessarily) (nothing like writings on a book/piece of paper opened by people this is a possibility, for instance or a mat with the writing this is also possible "welcome"... this is not possible)? And we are talking about people in general (and not people belonging to a social group/minority or whatsoever) right? right Bluetooth/connections relevant? Internet connection (e.g. friendly writing and suddenly "no internet connection" or "insert more coins to carry on the interaction" or "insufficient funds")? none of this is relevant

Is the song (or the relevant part of the song) mainly: a carillon song? A song sung at concerts? no to both Part of a popular song? yope Part of a modern song? DOYD of 'Modern' An instrumental song? no A song that can be listened to the radio?In advertisement? Voicemail? Answering machines? highly unlikely to all While the relevant device FA greets (i.e. automatically)? Before? After? Never (i.e. it is a song that describes such a scene)? n/a to all

Is the screen always of the same dimensions? no (the appearance of 'it' can vary greatly) Can the screens be seen by more than a person? yes Are they huge? potentially, but usually not Fixed somewhere? often Portable? also often :) Placed near an entrance/exit? not by design Is it checked as a timetable screen? no, but somewhat ORT Does the greeting appear as soon as: a screen is touched? A movement is made (and maybe perceived by a sensor/camera)? A threshold/door is crossed? A street is crossed? A service is required? A payment is made? Fingerprints relevant? no to all

Inside buildings? yes Inside specific places? yes --> places of business? noish, but explore Shops? no, with a few exceptions Houses sometimes (i.e. Alexa system...which is not but still...?)? In public places (e.g. airports? Train stations? Others?)? noish, explore in light of answer to 'place of business' Supermarkets? Skyscrapers? Sushi? Restaurants? Theaters? Cinemas? Churches? Parking lots? Hotels? no or highly unlikely to all Libraries? sometimes Museums? no

Can it greet two people at a time? yes Does it work as a traffic light/turnstile? no I mean: it has like flashing lights...I imagine something like a green hand waving immediately followed by a red hand in the gesture of stop not like this . Does it ask for Image

Relevant "how" it retreats the sentiment t? yes ---> does the user read something different from the starting greeting? yes Does the writing change? In what respect? Does a song stop? no

writing like "how can I help you" relevant? no Separating glasses relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:24 am

Are reflections/mirrors/glasses relevant? Is it checked as a clock? As a phone? As a timer? In a rush? As a newspaper? Is it checked mainly by looking up? Looking down? Either? Looking in front? Turning? Tagging a ticket? Reading a motto? Is the greeting a "welcome" a "goodbye"? A "nice to see you"? A swearing? Others? Relevant? Is ink relevant/necessary? A diary? Is the first greeting a fake greeting? Something to confuse people? To check if a person greets? To check how a person greets?

Is any of these relevant: hand kissing? touch the hat? Bowing? Hand shaking? Speeches? Pulling off the hat?

places of business? noish, but explore --> in inside? In outside? in parks? in places where there are books/papers/blackboards? In schools? Universities? Sport related places? During celebrations?

Is people asked to check it? To look at it? Is people "forced" to look at it? do people look at it while working? After work? While relaxing? In free time? Can it be read on a pizza box (strange question, I know)? Is it wore by people?
Is it used for its purpose by employees? By workers? By children? By everyone? Is its main purpose to greet? To retreat the greeting?

Is it at the entrance of some buildings? Of every building? At the exit? Inside them? In a specific room? In a specific place? Emergency steps? In offices In apartments?

Does the user read something different from the starting greeting? yes --> because the writing changes automatically? The writing is changed by someone? The writing changes as a consequence of an action? The writing changes as soon as someone replies to the greeting? In the case of the mat, does it change as soon as someone wipes his/her feet on the mat? As soon as someone enters a door?
Can it be part of a painting? A writing on a wall (e.g. graffiti)? The title of a book?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:21 am

Is it something that's read differently from different angles? Distances? Such as the Come in/go away ambigram doormat?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:51 pm

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Are reflections/mirrors/glasses relevant? no Is it checked as a clock? As a phone? As a timer? In a rush? As a newspaper? no to all Is it checked mainly by looking up? quite often Looking down? less often Either? yes, but not equally Looking in front? yes Turning? no Tagging a ticket? no Reading a motto? no Is the greeting a "welcome" yes, in effect a "goodbye"? no A "nice to see you"? no A swearing? f*** no Others? no Relevant? it may help to find out more about the greeting Is ink relevant no/necessary? less so now that we've reached the digital age - not hugely relevant, though A diary? no Is the first greeting a fake greeting? please elaborate on 'fake' Something to confuse people? no To check if a person greets? no To check how a person greets? no

Is any of these relevant: hand kissing? touch the hat? Bowing? Hand shaking? Speeches? Pulling off the hat? no to all

places of business? noish, but explore --> in inside? yes In outside? in parks? no or very rarely to both in places where there are books/papers/blackboards? yes to all In schools? yes! Universities? *much* less likely, although it would depend on where in the world the university was... Sport related places? During celebrations? no to both

Is people asked to check it? To look at it? usually not Is people "forced" to look at it? A certain class of person is usually compelled to look at it, yes do people look at it while working? a small number do After work? While relaxing? In free time? highly unlikely to all Can it be read on a pizza box (strange question, I know)? It's not impossible but I don't believe it has ever appeared on a Pizza box Is it wore by people? no - as far as I know :P
Is it used for its purpose by employees? By workers? yes to both By children? Very often, and very relevantly, yes By everyone? At some point in their lives, yes Is its main purpose to greet? To retreat the greeting? no to both

Is it at the entrance of some buildings? yes Of every building? no At the exit? There's a lot of discretion as to where this can be placed - it's not hugely relevant whether it's near the entrance or the exit Inside them? yes In a specific room? In a specific place? yes to both Emergency steps? In offices In apartments? no or unlikely to both

Does the user read something different from the starting greeting? yes --> because the writing changes automatically? yesish The writing is changed by someone? no The writing changes as a consequence of an action? no The writing changes as soon as someone replies to the greeting? no In the case of the mat, does it change as soon as someone wipes his/her feet on the mat? It might, depending on what they've managed to wipe off their shoes :) As soon as someone enters a door? no
Can it be part of a painting? Yes A writing on a wall (e.g. graffiti)? yes The title of a book? Potentially, but this would not be an appealing prospect to most authors or designers

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Is it something that's read differently from different angles? no, there is only one intended 'direction' Distances? no Such as the Come in/go away ambigram doormat? no, not like this
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:54 pm

My mother suggests: "Principals. 'Hi there! Get to class.'"

Is the writing above the entrance? On the school/building?
Is the name of the school or building relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:03 pm

My mother suggests: "Principals. 'Hi there! Get to class.'" I suggest your mother gets an account. She'll fit right in here. No to the proposed solution, however.

Is the writing above the entrance? On the school/building? no to both
Is the name of the school or building relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:44 pm

You said the greeting/retraction is often seen by "looking up." Does this mean "looking skyward"? "Finding information"?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:46 pm

You said the greeting/retraction is often seen by "looking up." Does this mean "looking skyward"? yes, although this is relative rather than absolute skyward "Finding information"? this isn't what I meant, but coincidentally still applies...
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:47 pm

Is the writing at a height that children would see more easily than adults?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:52 pm

Is the writing at a height that children would see more easily than adults? Typically not
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:42 am

Is the message something teachers at the school would also see?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:24 am

Is the message something teachers at the school would also see? Yes, they would also see it
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:48 am

Is the retraction a text? Is it in the same font as the greeting? Same color? Same size? On the same surface? Is the retraction intentional? A result of vandalism?
WAG: is the greeting shown on a Sony monitor, where the Sony logo has been vandalized to say "no"?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:52 am

Well hope this is not typical to U.S. or Australian schools. In Italy basically everything did not even put the sentiment at school xD

In classrooms? In canteen? In corridors? In other parts of the school? Blackboards relevant? In high schools? Elementary school? Lower level schools? Call relevant? Is it something measuring time? E.g. the clock at the entrance is at 10.10 which is a smile and soon changes it expression (because time passes). Does the writing changes automatically due to the passing of time? Naturally? The "welcome writing" on the blackboard soon erased by the teacher? Are dates relevant? Is it seen mostly at the beginning of lectures? At the end? Also in the middle? During pauses? By looking outside if the window?

because the writing changes automatically? yesish --> automatically in the sense that someone changes it ?(e.g. like in shops when someone turns the paper from closed to ooen and viceversa?)...well I was thinking about the bell ringing because actually it is rang both when lessons are about to begin and at the end of the lectures but it does not make sense maybe.
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:12 pm

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Is the retraction a text? yes Is it in the same font as the greeting? Same color? Same size? On the same surface? yes to all Is the retraction intentional? no A result of vandalism? but no
WAG: is the greeting shown on a Sony monitor, where the Sony logo has been vandalized to say "no"? No, but this is ORT in terms of how the greeting and retraction are delivered

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Well hope this is not typical to U.S. or Australian I'll pretend you didn't just say that schools. In Italy basically everything did not even put the sentiment at school xD

In classrooms? yes In canteen? In corridors? In other parts of the school? no to rest Blackboards relevant? Yes, often - but it's not the only option available In high schools? no Elementary school? yes Lower level schools? Yes (assuming that means a less advanced curriculum) Call relevant? no Is it something measuring time? no E.g. the clock at the entrance is at 10.10 which is a smile and soon changes it expression (because time passes)lateral, and a little poetic, but no. Does the writing changes automatically due to the passing of time? no Naturally? hard to answer - nothing changes extrinsically, but there is also no natural effluxion coming into effect The "welcome writing" on the blackboard soon erased by the teacher? no Are dates relevant? no Is it seen mostly at the beginning of lectures? At the end? Also in the middle? During pauses? not relevantly to all By looking outside if the window? no

because the writing changes automatically? yesish --> automatically in the sense that someone changes it ? no (e.g. like in shops when someone turns the paper from closed to ooen and viceversa?) and no to example ...well I was thinking about the bell ringing because actually it is rang both when lessons are about to begin and at the end of the lectures but it does not make sense maybe. This is closer than you might think - consider a continuous event/phenomenon that could nonetheless be parcelled into states of 'before' and 'after'...
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:59 am

Before and after: eating? Learning? Arriving? Having a holiday? Taking a test? Something school-related? Something life-related? Something human?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:17 pm

Well hope this is not typical to U.S. or Australian I'll pretend you didn't just say that  --> why? I did not mean to offend! I just meant to say that I hoped it was not something that was present just in U.S. or Australian schools since I am italian and could not be able to find out the solution in that casale. Hope to have clarifified and sorry for any inconvenient!
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:30 pm

A text = a text written by Professor? By children?

Cancelling text relevant? Sun rising relevant? Shadows?

Is the something relevant the light? A sound? A noise? Continuous in time?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby trebor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:51 pm

Recess relevant? Or specific classes? The end/beginning of a class? Attendance relevant? One of those signs that makes school announcements, such as “Welcome back, students! PD day Friday”?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:16 pm

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Before and after: eating? no Learning? yes Arriving? Having a holiday? Taking a test? no to these Something school-related? yes Something life-related? yes to this too Something human? Inasmuch as humans learn things (if they didn't, I'd be out of a job) :)

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why? I did not mean to offend! I just meant to say that I hoped it was not something that was present just in U.S. or Australian schools since I am italian and could not be able to find out the solution in that casale. Hope to have clarifified and sorry for any inconvenient!

It's just the insinuation that I'm Australian :P People from low-populated English-speaking countries strive to be less annoying than their larger neighbours and get irritated when they're confused for them. See also: Canada vs. USA, Scotland/Wales vs. UK, Namibia vs. South Africa...

A text = a text written by Professor? often By children? rarely

Cancelling text relevant? no Sun rising relevant? Shadows? no to both

Is the something relevant the light? A sound? A noise? no to these Continuous in time? It relates to doing an action continuously for a period of time

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Recess relevant? no Or specific classes? Perhaps 'subjects' more than 'classes' The end/beginning of a class? no Attendance relevant? no One of those signs that makes school announcements no, such as “Welcome back, students! PD day Friday”? I think there'd be more discipline in schools if they brought back Periodic Detention day. *Googles* Oh, Professional Development. Got it.
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:01 am

It's just the insinuation that I'm Australian :P People from low-populated English-speaking countries strive to be less annoying than their larger neighbours and get irritated when they're confused for them. See also: Canada vs. USA, Scotland/Wales vs. UK, Namibia vs. South Africa... ups. Sorry I did not know about that or better...I did not know that it was that profound!

Chalk relevant? Hands dirtied by chalk? Is any of the subjects relevant? Math? Science? English? Others (may I invoke the list)? Cleaning the blackboard relevant? Is it part of the structure of the classes? I mean: is it something present by default in each classroom? Related to religion? Music? Eye crossing relevant (e.g. after a lot of calculations the eye cross, children look up and see something double which seems to greet but then the image becomes clear and the greet vanishes)? Is it part of the process of learning? Raising hand relevant? Going to the bathroom? map?

It relates to doing an action continuously for a period of time --> by Professor? by children? E.g. sleeping in class (which is punished by Professors) learning? make calculations? writing? looking down? reading? Concentrating? Screaming? Making confusion?
Do children often look at it at the same time? In the same moment? When asked by Professor? Before an event? After the continuous event? In the passage "before the event" to "after the event"? Every day? Just in particular days of the week? Does it measure something? Temperature relevant?

Is the message something teachers at the school would also see? Yes, they would also see it --> do Professors perceived it as a greeting? Do Professor see it when are standing in front of student? In front of the blackboard? (I mean turning their back to students in order for instance to write on the blackboard)

A certain class of person is usually compelled to look at it, yes --> people that had a bad mark? children that are late? children that cannot see very well? children punished? children not understanding something? Children in certain types of schools (designed in a particular way)? children belonging to minorities? Also during explanations?

Is it in front of every student? Can it be on the back of the class? Is it more frequently? on the blackboard? above the blackboard? Below? Near? Something signaling that a lesson is being held?

popular song: Beatles? Another brick in the wall? Songs for children? Notes? Rock'n roll school? Others?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:56 pm

Chalk relevant? Hands dirtied by chalk? no to both Is any of the subjects relevant? Math? Science? English? this; no to rest Others (may I invoke the list)? Cleaning the blackboard relevant? no Is it part of the structure of the classes? I mean: is it something present by default in each classroom? yes, in primary schools Related to religion? no Music? no, although music can be used to teach this aspect of the topic Eye crossing relevant (e.g. after a lot of calculations the eye cross, children look up and see something double which seems to greet but then the image becomes clear and the greet vanishes)? no Is it part of the process of learning? yes Raising hand relevant? Going to the bathroom? map? no to these

It relates to doing an action continuously for a period of time --> by Professor? by children? either, but children by design E.g. sleeping in class (which is punished by Professors) no learning? this is a relevant aspect make calculations? no writing? not necessarily, but this may be a relevant exercise looking down? no reading? this most relevantly Concentrating? yes Screaming? Making confusion? no to both
Do children often look at it at the same time? In the same moment? When asked by Professor? yes to all Before an event? After the continuous event? no to both In the passage "before the event" to "after the event"? yes Every day? yes - although not for the entire duration of their schooling Just in particular days of the week? no Does it measure something? no Temperature relevant? no

Is the message something teachers at the school would also see? Yes, they would also see it --> do Professors perceived it as a greeting? No, unless they looked at it in the same way I did :) Do Professor see it when are standing in front of student? yes In front of the blackboard? (I mean turning their back to students in order for instance to write on the blackboard) This all hinges on whether or not it is written on the blackboard, which it often is

A certain class of person is usually compelled to look at it, yes --> people that had a bad mark? children that are late? children that cannot see very well? children punished? no to these children not understanding something? yesish Children in certain types of schools (designed in a particular way)? Yes, to read 'designed' in terms of 'curriculum' rather than 'architecture' children belonging to minorities? They would, statistically, look at this more often or longer, but the difference isn't huge Also during explanations? yes

Is it in front of every student? yes Can it be on the back of the class? yes Is it more frequently? on the blackboard? above the blackboard? Below? Near? Something signaling that a lesson is being held? we're delving into speculation here - suffice it to say it needs to be displayed prominently and in a place where students can reference it easily

popular song: Beatles? na, na, na, na na na na Another brick in the wall? no Songs for children? yes, very much so Notes? Rock'n roll school? no Others? no
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:04 am

Hey WiZ, really sorry for what is happening in Australia right now. Is everything fine on your side?

learning how to spell words relevant? Learning alphabet?
reading = on their own? Laud? all together? One at a time? Relevant? reading a book? reading words? English words? stories?reading in turns? singing? reading sentences? reading blackboard? relevant? Reading in couple (e.g. a student reads and the other must spell)? Division in syllables of the sentence? Is a specific word relevant?

Before -after = before start reading and after having read? Before making a mistake and after having made it? Before answering a question and after having given an answer? Learning through song relevant? Is it part of a popular children song? If so are Professors conscious that it is part of a song? Is it the song? Is it read by children? If so, do they perceive it as a greeting? If so because they cannot pronounce it/read it correctly?

are foreign children almost compelled to look at it? Does it help in the process of reading? Learning grammar? Spell words? does it help students?

Dictionary relevant? Searching words? Is a pun involved? Does it retract the sentiment when a word is changed? when an accent is changed? when the spelling is changed? Is "it" more often a word? A piece of paper on the wall? Spelling book relevant? Paintings associated to letters? "Hell - o" relevant? "Hello, how low"? Vowels? Pronuntiation of words? H and I which are near in the alphabet? Spelling backwards?
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:21 pm

Hey WiZ, really sorry for what is happening in Australia right now. Is everything fine on your side?

Hey, Earnest. I appreciate the message. New Zealand hasn't suffered many ill effects because we're separated by 2,000 km of water- although embers have been able to leap lakes and small channels, they can't make it all the way over here. That said, a lot of us have family in Australia, and we're all exercising a bit of caution at the moment around lighting fires as a lot of our own firefighters have been shipped across the Tasman to help put their one out.

learning how to spell words relevant? see next Learning alphabet? Yes!
reading = on their own? Laud? all together? One at a time? Relevant? not especially relevant, as long as they're paying attention to it reading a book? reading words? no/irrel to both English words? the solution hinges on English words, but they're not complicated ones :) stories?reading in turns? no/irrel to both singing? no, apart from one particular song reading sentences? reading blackboard? relevant? not really relevant to both Reading in couple (e.g. a student reads and the other must spell)? no/irrel Division in syllables of the sentence? no, syllables are not relevant Is a specific word relevant? one or more specific words are relevant

Before -after = before start reading and after having read? yes Before making a mistake and after having made it? Before answering a question and after having given an answer? no to both Learning through song relevant? One particular song, yes Is it part of a popular children song? It's part of a well-known children's song, but not one that was a commercial success :) If so are Professors conscious that it is part of a song? yes Is it the song? It can take the form of the song Is it read by children? It can also be read by children If so, do they perceive it as a greeting? Usually not, at least at first If so because they cannot pronounce it/read it correctly? yope

are foreign children almost compelled to look at it? There would probably be more emphasis in getting them to look at it Does it help in the process of reading? yes Learning grammar? no Spell words? yes does it help students? yes

Dictionary relevant? You could find this in the dictionary, although often not arranged in a way that would allow you to see the solution Searching words? no Is a pun involved? not a 'pun', but wordplay of a sort Does it retract the sentiment when a word is changed? when an accent is changed? when the spelling is changed? no to these Is "it" more often a word? No, but ORT A piece of paper on the wall? No, it isn't the paper itself, or any physical form it might take Spelling book relevant? no (but ORT) Paintings associated to letters? no, but more ORT "Hell - o" relevant? no, but you're starting to think along the right lines "Hello, how low"? no Vowels? they're involved, I guess Pronuntiation of words? no H and I which are near in the alphabet? YES! Spelling backwards? on
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby biograd » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:14 pm

Aha, so HI is "Hi", and it's followed immediately by JK, which in texts and the Internet more generally means "just kidding"? So the alphabet "greets" and then immediately "takes it back".
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:19 am

...aaaaand time to set up a shortlist of 2020 POTY noms. Brill'nt.
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby Earnest » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:03 am

Ohoh virtual high 5 to biograd!
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:25 pm

Well, this would have been a little awkward if that hadn't been the answer. Fortunately, it is.

***** SPOILER *****

It is the alphabet, which shortly after commencement says HI and then immediately retracts it with JK.


Congratulations to Biograd for the solution, and to Earnest for the very thorough legwork that set it up!
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle [ACED, B]

Postby Earnest » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:37 am

Thanks WiZ!!! Very nice one
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Re: [WiZ] Tom's Marvellous Riddle [ACED, B]

Postby peter365 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:23 am

Now that's clever.
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