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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:56 am

A government employee was on vacation when he had a bright idea to improve the efficiency of his department. When he returned home, he excitedly explained this idea to his superiors, and offered to put it into action. He was turned down. Why?
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Postby trebor » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:33 pm

Was it a facetious idea?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:21 pm

Relevant that he came up with the idea while on vacation?
Efficiency: more done with fewer hours? Fewer people? Less money? Less work? Easier work?
Was he turned down because efficiency was undesired? The idea didn't work the way he thought? Because of unwanted side effects? Budget relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:08 pm

Was it a facetious idea? No.

Relevant that he came up with the idea while on vacation? Yes.
Efficiency: more done with fewer hours? Fewer people? Less money? Less work? Easier work? More achieved.
Was he turned down because efficiency was undesired? The idea didn't work the way he thought? Because of unwanted side effects? Budget relevant? No to all.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:54 pm

If he had come up with the same idea at work, would it have been accepted? Would they have to consider his vacation time as work if they used the idea? Would they have violated some rule or law?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:26 am

If he had come up with the same idea at work, would it have been accepted? Would they have to consider his vacation time as work if they used the idea? Would they have violated some rule or law? No to all.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:23 am

Relevant where he was on a vacation? That he was on a vacation? Did he work in tourism?
"Not working during vacations relevant? Did he said relevantly that he had the idea while on vacation? Relevant period of the year for vacation? Summer? Winter? Did he have some duties as a Government employer during vacation? Privacy? Keep his secret identity? Intervene in case of law violation? Did he violate the law somehow?

Would the idea be effective? cost a lot? would it: speed up bureaucracy? avoid rows? speed up payments? avoid theft? Avoid mistakes? Made the department safer? Solve an issue (e.g. they had rats inside a building)? Bills relevant?

Did he have the idea while doing/looking at something relevant? Had he put the idea in action without explaining it to superiors would he have be turned down?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:57 pm

Relevant where he was on a vacation? Yes. That he was on a vacation? Yes. Did he work in tourism? No.
Not working during vacations relevant? No. Did he said relevantly that he had the idea while on vacation? Yes. Relevant period of the year for vacation? No. Summer? Winter? Did he have some duties as a Government employer during vacation? Privacy? Keep his secret identity? Yes. Intervene in case of law violation? Did he violate the law somehow? No to the others.

Would the idea be effective? Yes. cost a lot? Yes. would it: speed up bureaucracy? avoid rows? speed up payments? avoid theft? Avoid mistakes? Made the department safer? It would make something safer, ultimately. Solve an issue (e.g. they had rats inside a building)? For SVV of "issue." Bills relevant? No to the rest.

Did he have the idea while doing/looking at something relevant? Yes. Had he put the idea in action without explaining it to superiors would he have be turned down? Depends on circumstances, but probably.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:20 pm

Would implementing the idea reveal something that shouldn't be revealed? Is a conflict relevant? Spying? War? Relevant what government he was working for?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:34 pm

Radar relevant? Codes? His own identity? Photography? Bombarding? Defenses? Engeneering? Airplanes/means of transport (e.g. boats, cars, trains)? Cameras? Clothing? Weapons?

Would the idea be implemented inside his Department? In the whole nation?

Was his job a risky one? Was he a spy? Policeman? Soldier? A pilot? A doctor? A scientist? Others? Would his idea involve copying other nations relevantly? Make an alliance? Buy other nations' goods?

Relevant where he was on vacation? Cuba? Vietnam? Others? Was it a forbidden zone?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:45 pm

Would implementing the idea reveal something that shouldn't be revealed? Possibly. Is a conflict relevant? Yes. Spying? Yes. War? No. Relevant what government he was working for? No, but it was Israel.

Radar relevant? Codes? His own identity? Photography? Bombarding? Defenses? Engeneering? Airplanes/means of transport (e.g. boats, cars, trains)? For SVV of "means of transport." Cameras? Clothing? Weapons? None of the others.

Would the idea be implemented inside his Department? This. In the whole nation?

Was his job a risky one? Yes. Was he a spy? Yes. Policeman? Soldier? A pilot? A doctor? A scientist? Others? None of the rest. Would his idea involve copying other nations relevantly? No. Make an alliance? No. Buy other nations' goods? For SVV of "goods."

Relevant where he was on vacation? No. Cuba? Vietnam? Others? It was Egypt. Was it a forbidden zone? No.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:38 am

Conflict = between Israel and Egypt?

Relevant how he revealed his identity? Voluntarily? Sharing data? Making a picture? His face appeared somewhere relevantly? Leaving something relevant? Making a registration (e.g. in a hotel? To an app? For a wi-fi connection?...) Vocal recognition relevant? Showing identity card relevant? Revealing the real name? Detecting the presence of a spy? The nationality of people?

Religion relevant? Searches? (E.g. work with sandals instead of shoes to avoid that someone hid weapons inside shoes?) Pyramids relevant? Sea/beach? Sunglasses? Nile? Something that can just be found in Egypt?

SVV of means of transport: something mainly used for transporting humans? Objects? Others?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:53 am

Conflict = between Israel and Egypt? Yes.

Relevant how he revealed his identity? He didn't. Voluntarily? Sharing data? Making a picture? His face appeared somewhere relevantly? Leaving something relevant? Making a registration (e.g. in a hotel? To an app? For a wi-fi connection?...) Vocal recognition relevant? Showing identity card relevant? Revealing the real name? Detecting the presence of a spy? The nationality of people? All irr.

Religion relevant? No. Searches? No. (E.g. work with sandals instead of shoes to avoid that someone hid weapons inside shoes?) Pyramids relevant? Sea/beach? Sunglasses? Nile? Something that can just be found in Egypt? No to all.

SVV of means of transport: something mainly used for transporting humans? Objects? Others? All of these, but for purposes of the puzzle, only humans are the relevant "cargo."
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Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:00 am

A caddy? A machine? Something flying? Going on railways? On water? On streets? Bicycles? An animal (camel? exotic animal? Horse?) ? Something electronic? Something with wheels? With engines? Was it used by local people? By tourists? By everyone? Is it usually driven by the prison using it? By a pilot/driver? Relevant? Is it used to move people from a place to another which is very far from the first place? Which is very close? Which is at a reasonable distance? Was such mean of transport already employed in his department? A different version of it? Did the relevant mean of transport have windows? tinted windows? Was it meant to move on sand?

Relevant that he came up with the idea while on vacation? Yes. --> had he not been on vacation would the have had such an idea? Vacation = he was sunbathing? He was relaxing? Making sport? Smoking? Drinking? Visiting a place? Using the relevant mean of transport? Eating? he was with his family? Did he relevantly have a child?

Would the idea allow the Department to save money? To be sure: is the idea about the "means of transport"?
Made the department safer? It would make something safer, ultimately. --> transportations? To better camouflage spies? To obtain more info? For "on the field" actions? To increase/better the equipment of spies? To better communications? Is technology relevant? Devices? Internet? Avoid to be eavesdropped/intercepted? Not being discovered? Hide something? Reach relevant places more safely? Alcoholic beverages relevant? Culture relevant? (i.e. Egyptian did not stop people traveling on a camel)

Conflict = between Israel and Egypt? Yes. --> did the spy work in Egypt? As a spy for Israel? As an Egyptian spy? Or he was just there for vacation? Had he relevantly been in Egypt before?

WAG --> to be eavesdropped by using camels: camel is also a cigarette brand so maybe a possible keyword to confound enemies.
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:50 pm

A caddy? A machine? Something flying? Going on railways? On water? On streets? Bicycles? An animal (camel? exotic animal? Horse? This.) ? Something electronic? Something with wheels? With engines? Was it used by local people? This. By tourists? And this. By everyone? Is it usually driven by the person using it? Yes. By a pilot/driver? Relevant? No. Is it used to move people from a place to another which is very far from the first place? Which is very close? In context, this. Which is at a reasonable distance? Was such mean of transport already employed in his department? Yes, actually. A different version of it? Did the relevant mean of transport have windows? tinted windows? Was it meant to move on sand? Irr.

Relevant that he came up with the idea while on vacation? Yes. --> had he not been on vacation would the have had such an idea? No. Vacation = he was sunbathing? He was relaxing? Making sport? Smoking? Drinking? Visiting a place? This. Using the relevant mean of transport? Possibly. Eating? he was with his family? Irr. Did he relevantly have a child? No.

Would the idea allow the Department to save money? No. To be sure: is the idea about the "means of transport"? Not entirely.
Made the department safer? It would make something safer, ultimately. --> transportations? To better camouflage spies? To obtain more info? This. For "on the field" actions? To increase/better the equipment of spies? To better communications? Is technology relevant? Devices? Internet? Avoid to be eavesdropped/intercepted? Not being discovered? Hide something? Reach relevant places more safely? Alcoholic beverages relevant? Culture relevant? (i.e. Egyptian did not stop people traveling on a camel) None of the others.

Conflict = between Israel and Egypt? Yes. --> did the spy work in Egypt? Irr. As a spy for Israel? Yes. As an Egyptian spy? Or he was just there for vacation? Assume this. Had he relevantly been in Egypt before? No.

WAG --> to be eavesdropped by using camels: camel is also a cigarette brand so maybe a possible keyword to confound enemies. No. Nice WAG, though.
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Postby trebor » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:42 pm

Would horses die if his idea was implemented? Would his identity be revealed? Or at least the fact that he was a spy?

Did his idea involve attaching any equipment to the horses other than whatever would normally be used for riding them? Is it relevant how Egyptians talk to horses? Or name horses? Did he think Egyptians would be more trusting of someone on one of their horses? And casually volunteer information?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:22 pm

Would horses die if his idea was implemented? No. Would his identity be revealed? No. Or at least the fact that he was a spy? Possibly.

Did his idea involve attaching any equipment to the horses other than whatever would normally be used for riding them? No. Is it relevant how Egyptians talk to horses? Or name horses? No to both. Did he think Egyptians would be more trusting of someone on one of their horses? And casually volunteer information? Yes, this was the idea.
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Postby trebor » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:53 pm

Did he intend to ride the horse himself? More people than just him, each on a horse? Many people? Perhaps just riding around, posing as locals? Or as tour guides? Members of the Egyptian government?

Was his idea denied for financial reasons? Religious reasons? Reasons to do with still being gentlemanly even in the act of war? Because his plan would endanger life? If so, human life? Difficulty in procuring the horses? Feeding/watering (is that the right word?) the horses? Getting enough people into Egypt to use them? Is it relevant what conflict this takes place in?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:04 am

Did he intend to ride the horse himself? More people than just him, each on a horse? Many people? Perhaps just riding around, posing as locals? Or as tour guides? Members of the Egyptian government? No to all.

Was his idea denied for financial reasons? Religious reasons? Reasons to do with still being gentlemanly even in the act of war? Because his plan would endanger life? If so, human life? Difficulty in procuring the horses? Feeding/watering (is that the right word?) the horses? Getting enough people into Egypt to use them? Is it relevant what conflict this takes place in? No to all.
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:51 am

Was such mean of transport already employed in his department? Yes, actually. --> in Egypt? Elsewhere? would the horse(s) be employed by him? By israelian spies in Egypt? To bribe people? To transport people? According to the spy's idea, would horses be employed mainly as a mean of transport? Did he notice people sharing info? Particular info? Info about their health? About the location of something relevant? Is camouflaging relevant? Relevant who mainly employed horses in Egypt? Poor people? Rich people? Would he have employed Manny horses? Just one horse? Many horses for one person? One horse for each spy in Egypt? To be sure: can we assume that there were already israelian spies in Egypt? That there were Egyptian spies in Israel? Relevant (e.g. Government denied because he was aware that spies would have been soon discovered? Or maybe because the Government knew to be eavesdropped by Egyptian spies?)? Was the spy deceived while on vacation? Did someone suggest him the idea? If so, directly? Indirectly?

Speaking Egyptian relevant? E.g. the Government denied because spies should have given direction/orders to the horses in Egyptian? because in case of an emergency, spies would have not been able to run away? Because spies would have been easily discovered (e.g. they would have been forced to leave the horse in an emergency situation? they would have left traces? The horses would have left traces?)? Horses breed relevant? Animal abuses relevant?

Horse whispering relevant? Horse races relevant? Were horses easily robbed in Egypt? Activities done with an horse relevant? E.g. access to relevant places (to feed the horse...)? Access to relevant places doable just with horses? Relevant that horses were employed also by tourists? Desert relevant? Bets relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:37 am

Was such mean of transport already employed in his department? Yes, actually. --> in Egypt? This. Elsewhere? would the horse(s) be employed by him? Presumably. By Israeli spies in Egypt? This. To bribe people? No. To transport people? Yes. According to the spy's idea, would horses be employed mainly as a mean of transport? Yes, but... Did he notice people sharing info? Particular info? Info about their health? About the location of something relevant? Is camouflaging relevant? No to all. Relevant who mainly employed horses in Egypt? Poor people? Rich people? This, given the specific circumstances. Would he have employed many horses? This. Just one horse? Many horses for one person? One horse for each spy in Egypt? No. To be sure: can we assume that there were already Israeli spies in Egypt? Yes. That there were Egyptian spies in Israel? Irr. Relevant (e.g. Government denied because he was aware that spies would have been soon discovered? Likely part of the reason, which you might like to explore. Or maybe because the Government knew to be eavesdropped by Egyptian spies? No.)? Was the spy deceived while on vacation? Yes. Did someone suggest him the idea? No, he was inspired. If so, directly? Indirectly? This.

Speaking Egyptian relevant? No. E.g. the Government denied because spies should have given direction/orders to the horses in Egyptian? No. because in case of an emergency, spies would have not been able to run away? Because spies would have been easily discovered (e.g. they would have been forced to leave the horse in an emergency situation? they would have left traces? The horses would have left traces?)? Horses breed relevant? Assume yes. Animal abuses relevant? No to all else.

Horse whispering relevant? No. Horse races relevant? Possibly; other activities more relevant. Were horses easily robbed in Egypt? Irr. Activities done with an horse relevant? E.g. access to relevant places (to feed the horse...)? No. Access to relevant places doable just with horses? No. Relevant that horses were employed also by tourists? Mildly. Desert relevant? No. Bets relevant? Not unless racing was involved, which I doubt.
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:07 pm

By Israeli spies in Egypt? This --> ok little WAG --> he wanted to build up a ranch so that all spies with a horse could go there to bring their horses/change them? Maybe it was denied because otherwise Egyptian Government would have started making controls on horses? Did Israeli spies in Egypt use horses to transport tourists? To transport rich people? They employed the horses for themselves? Would his idea have mined the "fake job" of other spies in Egypt? Were horses employed in wars by Egyptian Government? Relevant?

Did he want to build up a ranch/horse breeding? obstacle course for horses? Polo? Exposure? a track? Were the horses plow horses? Plough horses? Horses to be ride directly? To be employed as workforce in fields? Thoroughbreds? Relevant?

Rich people? This, given the specific circumstances. --> Did he want to sell horses? To reach somehow rich people (e.g. making a club?)? That rich people/high society come to him (for instance daughters and sons of rich people who want to try riding?)? would this have attracted also the authorities? Risen suspects on already present spies in Egypt? Is his surname relevant? Changing identity relevant? If the ranch hypothesis is correct: were there many ranches/horse breedings in Egypt? If not, was there a reason why?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:32 am

By Israeli spies in Egypt? This --> ok little WAG --> he wanted to build up a ranch so that all spies with a horse could go there to bring their horses/change them? Maybe it was denied because otherwise Egyptian Government would have started making controls on horses? Did Israeli spies in Egypt use horses to transport tourists? To transport rich people? Thisish. They employed the horses for themselves? Would his idea have mined the "fake job" of other spies in Egypt? I don't understand this one; please rephrase. Were horses employed in wars by Egyptian Government? Relevant? No to the rest.

Did he want to build up a ranch/horse breeding? This. obstacle course for horses? Polo? Possible, Egypt does have some British heritage. Exposure? a track? Were the horses plow horses? Plough horses? Horses to be ride directly? Assume this. To be employed as workforce in fields? No. Thoroughbreds? Likely. Relevant? Mildly.

Rich people? This, given the specific circumstances. --> Did he want to sell horses? To reach somehow rich people (e.g. making a club?)? This. That rich people/high society come to him (for instance daughters and sons of rich people who want to try riding?)? And this. would this have attracted also the authorities? Yes. Risen suspects on already present spies in Egypt? Yes. Is his surname relevant? Changing identity relevant? If the ranch hypothesis is correct: were there many ranches/horse breedings in Egypt? Irr. If not, was there a reason why? No to the rest.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:41 am

Did spies know each other identity? If not, relevant? Would the ranch somehow reveale the identity of other spies? Made someone suspicious? (e.g. it would have revealed some of the techinques used by other spies/ underlined some analogies with other spies?) Made the work of other spies harder? (E.g. they could not joing the ranch?)...were other spies rich? Did they serve rich people? Is the fact that rich people gather in the same place problematic? E.g. they could talk to each other? For suspects? Organize? Make a revolution?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:23 pm

Did spies know each other identity? No. If not, relevant? Yes. Would the ranch somehow reveale the identity of other spies? No. Made someone suspicious? Possibly. (e.g. it would have revealed some of the techinques used by other spies/ underlined some analogies with other spies?) Possibly. Made the work of other spies harder? Possibly. (E.g. they could not join the ranch?) Possibly ...were other spies rich? No. Did they serve rich people? No. Is the fact that rich people gather in the same place problematic? No. E.g. they could talk to each other? For suspects? Organize? Make a revolution?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:13 pm

Was his idea essentially already being implemented? And he visited one such place, the nature of which he was unaware? Would implementing the idea be redundant? Sort of competing with themselves?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:38 pm

Was his idea essentially already being implemented? And he visited one such place, the nature of which he was unaware? Would implementing the idea be redundant? Sort of competing with themselves?

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An Israeli intelligence officer visited a horse ranch in Egypt. The ranch was run by an ex-Nazi, and was frequented by many Egyptian politicians and military officers. He thought that setting up his own ranch might be a great way to collect intelligence, and told his superiors so.

What he didn't know was that the "ex-Nazi" was another Israeli agent already doing exactly that.
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