[klondike mary] No good deed....

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[klondike mary] No good deed....

Postby klondike mary » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:18 pm

Mark and Laura returned from their Christmas vacation to discover that their new house (new to them anyway) had been trashed. They called the police, who found the vandal still there, sleeping on the couch.
The upshot: Not only did the vandal go free, the insurance wouldn't pay for the damage, and almost everyone sympathizes with the perp!
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:13 pm

Is the vandal H? A? M? Injured? The pet they forgot at home? A wild animal? Do most people also sympathize with Mark and Laura?
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Postby klondike mary » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:48 pm

Is the vandal H? No A? M? Yes to both{/b]Injured? [b]NoThe pet they forgot at home? No A wild animal? Yes.Do most people also sympathize with Mark and Laura? Yes, to a degree.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:27 am

WAG --> is Jumanji relevant?

relevant where the house was build up? Was the animal attracted by food? Food smell? The cold temperatures outside? Fires/other emergencies outside the house? a specific need? to run away from a zoo? from a circus? from poachers?
relevant that the house was new to M and L? E.g. they did not know something relevantly? Can wee assume that they build up the house from the scratch (i.e. no previous owner involved)? Were M and L hunters? Relevant their profession? Did the insurance not cover specifically attacks by wild animals? If so because they did not ensure against them voluntarily? Again, if so, relevant? Maybe they expected to be in contact with wild animals? Did they have pets relevantly? Relevant leather sofas? Relevant appliances inside thee house? something making noise or something a part from food that could attract wild animals?

Was the house in the middle of a forest? Near a river/sea/lake? Were there other houses nearby? Was the house a tree house? Did Mark and Laura work with animals? In a nature reserve? Had they dealt with such wild animals before? With that wild animal specifically? Was the house build up where the animal used to live before? (e.g. a tree house build on a nest, or an house build up in the middle of savana)

Wild animal = a bear? a tiger? a lion? a mammal? a bird? an ape?
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Postby Balin » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:24 pm

Did Mark and Laura let the animal in the house at any point?
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Postby trebor » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:19 pm

Are Mark and Laura human? Is it who lived in their house before they did? Had the animal been to that house before?

Are doorknobs relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:42 pm

Relevant who lived there before them? Had the animal been in the house before? Was it a mammal? Bird? Reptile? Bigger than a breadbox?
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Postby klondike mary » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:20 pm

WAG --> is Jumanji relevant? no

relevant where the house was build up? Near Atlanta, Ga. Not particularly relevant.Was the animal attracted by food? Food smell? The cold temperatures outside? Fires/other emergencies outside the house? a specific need? to run away from a zoo? from a circus? from poachers? Most likely the animal got in the house through an accident.
relevant that the house was new to M and L? E.g. they did not know something relevantly? n.r. Can wee assume that they build up the house from the scratch (i.e. no previous owner involved)? News article says they bought the house, so I assume they did not.Were M and L hunters? Relevant their profession?No or n./r to both. Did the insurance not cover specifically attacks by wild animals? If so because they did not ensure against them voluntarily? Again, if so, relevant? Yope to all this, FA lurking.Maybe they expected to be in contact with wild animals? DOYd 'wild animals.'Did they have pets relevantly? Relevant leather sofas? Relevant appliances inside thee house? n.r. to all.something making noise there was a relevant noise.or something a part from food that could attract wild animals? No, AFAIK

Was the house in the middle of a forest? Near a river/sea/lake? Were there other houses nearby?In a suburb. there were probably trees nearby, but not a forest. Water n.r. Was the house a tree house? Did Mark and Laura work with animals? In a nature reserve? No to ajj.Had they dealt with such wild animals before? They had no doubt seen such animals before, at least.With that wild animal specifically?As an indivudual? No. Was the house build up where the animal used to live before? (e.g. a tree house build on a nest, or an house build up in the middle of savana)Yope. You could call it in the animal's territory, in a way, but not the examples you mention.

Wild animal = a bear? a tiger? a lion? a mammal? a bird? an ape?a None of these. May still be a FA.
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Postby klondike mary » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Did Mark and Laura let the animal in the house at any point? No
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Postby klondike mary » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:28 pm

Are Mark and Laura human? Yes.Is it who lived in their house before they did? No. Had the animal been to that house before? No.

Are doorknobs relevant? No.
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Postby klondike mary » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:31 pm

Sorry, I overlooked the last part of Galfisk's post. It was a mammal. Might have fit inside a breadbox.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:32 am

Relevant why it trashed the house? Was it looking for food? Trying to get out? Chasing something? Relevant how it got in? Did they make a mistake or oversight that led to it getting in? Was it part of the local fauna?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:30 pm

had there been an overflow relevantly? an earthquake? Some natural phenomenon? Is the flush relevant? Relevant from where the animal entered? From pipes? By crashing a window?

there was a relevant noise --> before they came back home? did the noise attract the animal? was It an alarm?

there was a relevant noise --> was it common to see such animals in the wild? Was it a rat? drainage relevant? a cow? slaughterhouse relevant?

To be sure: are we not talking about bacteria/viruses right?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:53 pm

Was it a raccoon? A bat? A mustelid?

Did it hear? See? Smell? Taste? Feel? … something that made it want to enter the house?
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Postby klondike mary » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:58 pm

Relevant why it trashed the house? Yessish.Was it looking for food? Trying to get out? Mostly this.Chasing something? Relevant how it got in? Yessish.Did they make a mistake or oversight that led to it getting in?I would say more of a pure accident. Was it part of the local fauna? Yes.
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Postby klondike mary » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:08 pm

had there been an overflow relevantly? an earthquake? Some natural phenomenon? No to all. Is the flush relevant? No, but the humans did hear water running. That's why they called the police. Relevant from where the animal entered? Yesssh.From pipes? By crashing a window?..but not these.

there was a relevant noise --> before they came back home? As they came back. See above. the noise attract the animal? was It an alarm?no to both

there was a relevant noise --> was it common to see such animals in the wild? yes Was it a rat? No, but explore. drainage relevant? a cow? slaughterhouse relevant? No to all.

To be sure: are we not talking about bacteria/viruses right? Right. The critter is a mammal.
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Postby klondike mary » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:11 pm

Was it a raccoon? A bat? A mustelid? No to these.

Did it hear? See? Smell? Taste? Feel? … something that made it want to enter the house? Don't think it wanted to enter.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:52 am

Was it a rodent? Carnivore? Herbivore? Scavenger? Feline? Did it get in through a window? Door? Pet door? Chimney? Ventilation?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:28 am

TO be sure: can we assume that they leave inna normal house (not a caravan or whatsoever) right?

is it a squirrel? Is it cute? is it a dog or a cat? a puppy? was it brought into the house (e.g. it accidentally fell asleep inside a box/car and was brought inside the house)? Did it make a tunnel? Is it a mole? raccoon? platypus? curly? Did they relevantly leave something opened before going away for Christmas (a window? the door?) ? wind relevant? was the roof near a tree (going along with the "chimney idea" of GalFisk)?

Were they not aware about something concerning the house? About the structure of the house? Was there a tree in the middle of the house? Was the house accessible from the outside? Could this have happened also had they been inside their house and not on vacation?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:03 pm

Did the animal enter by mistake? By chance? Does anything about the home or how the animal got in resemble its natural habitat?
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Postby klondike mary » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:03 pm

Was it a rodent? Yes. Carnivore? Herbivore? Scavenger? Feline? Did it get in through a window? Door? Pet door? Chimney? This.Ventilation?
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Postby klondike mary » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:11 pm

O be sure: can we assume that they leave inna normal house (not a caravan or whatsoever) right? Right.

is it a squirrel? YES.Is it cute? If you think squirrels are cute. is it a dog or a cat? a puppy? was it brought into the house (e.g. it accidentally fell asleep inside a box/car and was brought inside the house)? Did it make a tunnel? No to both.Is it a mole? raccoon? platypus? curly? Did they relevantly leave something opened before going away for Christmas (a window? the door?) ? wind relevant? No to all. was the roof near a tree (going along with the "chimney idea" of GalFisk)? Possibly, but the only relevant fact is that the animal fell down the chimney and got all sooty.

Were they not aware about something concerning the house? About the structure of the house? Was there a tree in the middle of the house? Was the house accessible from the outside? All no or n.r. Could this have happened also had they been inside their house and not on vacation? If they had been at home, they would have taken steps to get the squirrel out of the house before it did so much damage..
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Postby klondike mary » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:14 pm

Did the animal enter by mistake? By chance? This is closest.Does anything about the home or how the animal got in resemble its natural habitat? IDK, but would think not. Ordinary suburban house.
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Postby trebor » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:37 am

What is left to figure out? How it was that the squirrel came to fall down the chimney? And why insurance wouldn't cover the damage? I can simply picture an agency denying coverage based on there being no clause for "squirrel damage"...

Had the homeowners neglected to do something they should've done that would've prevented the squirrel from getting in? Such as close up the chimney? Did the squirrel just miscalculate a jump from tree to tree, or stumble while crossing the roof of the house? Is there anything particular about the house we need to figure out? (It was underground, so the roof was actually at ground level, for example?) Is the time of year relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:07 am

Did the squirrel fall from a tree directly above the house? Could they have reasonably expected that this was a risk? Did they fail to take appropriate measures to keep this from happening? Has it happened before? Were they warned this might happen?
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Postby klondike mary » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:18 pm

I thought I posted this last night - must have been asleep on my feet. Except I wasn't standing up. Will try again.
***********SPOILER************
A squirrel had fallen down M & L's chimney. In a panic, it left a trail of sooty footprints and squirrel poop all over the house. It tried to get out by chewing through the windowsills, and actually broke some windows. Somehow it had turned the water on in the kitchen, which made the humans think the intruder might still be there. All i all, about $15000 worth of damage was done before the animal got tired and lay down on the sofa, where he was discovered and returned to the outdoors.
For extra credit, why won't the insurance pay for this damage?
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Postby trebor » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:44 pm

Because the chimney should've been closed? Because they weren't supposed to even have a chimney in the first place? Because the insurance agent thought the squirrel was super-duper cutesy-wootsy?
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