[Balin] I feel so broke up

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[Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Balin » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:06 pm

Brian lies dead on the floor at his home. He died because Tony and Caroline broke up. How?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:25 pm

Brian = H/A/M? Is he a goldfish whose bowl was knocked over during an argument between Tony and Caroline (you'd think they'd have learned their lesson after what happened to Anthony and Cleopatra)?

Is Brian a relative (child?) of Tony and Caroline. Do they live in the same house? Are they neighbours, or live close by?

Is his cause of death relevant? Was he murdered? Was his death an accident? Is there a crime involved? Is someone other than Tony or Caroline implciated in his death?

Were Tony and Caroline married? Did they relevantly live together, own something jointly, have a shared hobby/activity, shared vested interest in something?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:05 pm

Did Tony or Caroline want him to die? Know he might die? Did Brina make a mistake? Get murdered? Know Tony? Know Caroline? Commit a crime?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:59 pm

Brian = H/A/M? Yes Is he a goldfish whose bowl was knocked over during an argument between Tony and Caroline (you'd think they'd have learned their lesson after what happened to Anthony and Cleopatra)? No goldfish are harmed during this puzzle

Is Brian a relative (child?) of Tony and Caroline. No Do they live in the same house? Which "they"? Are they neighbours, or live close by? Which "they"?

Is his cause of death relevant? Yes Was he murdered? No Was his death an accident? Yes Is there a crime involved? No Is someone other than Tony or Caroline implciated in his death? No

Were Tony and Caroline married? No Did they relevantly live together, own something jointly, have a shared hobby/activity, shared vested interest in something? "Shared hobby/activity" is a relevant Yes

Did Tony or Caroline want him to die? No Know he might die? No Did Brian make a mistake? Arguably Get murdered? No Know Tony? Yes Know Caroline? Yes Commit a crime? No
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:55 pm

If they hadn't broken up, would he be living in the same home? Did he die from: fall? Poison? Venom? Electrocution? Animal attack? Heat? Cold? Suffocation? Strangulation? Overdose? Trauma? Blood loss? Organ failure? Drowning? Explosion? Fire? Cancer? Inhalation? Ingestion? Illness? Blood clot? Was he doing something risky?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:17 am

Tony and Caroline = H/A?

Did B died killed by Tony? By Caroline? By both? Through a weapon? are bets involved?

"Shared hobby/activity" is a relevant Yes --> mountain climbing? aviation? skydiving? A sport? Science? magic tricks? table games? Others?

Did they relevantly have a fight/discussion? Did they forget the presence of B? E.g. they were scientists or magician and B was under water as a part of an experiment. They had a fight and forgot that B was under water thus "killing" him?
Did B see them braking up? Did he see them having a discussion? Did he see them separated? Did he know they broke up?Did B die long after they broke up? Soon after? Did he commit suicide? Did T and C relevantly know B?
Are T and C famous (e.g. a royal couple)? Did B lose his job? Lose his credibility?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Balin » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:58 pm

If they hadn't broken up, would he be living in the same home? Yes
Did he die from: fall? Poison? Venom? Electrocution? This Animal attack? Heat? Cold? Suffocation? Strangulation? Overdose? Trauma? Blood loss? Organ failure? Drowning? Explosion? Fire? Cancer? Inhalation? Ingestion? Illness? Blood clot?
Was he doing something risky? No

Tony and Caroline = H/A? Yes

Did B died killed by Tony? By Caroline? By both? Through a weapon? are bets involved? No to all

"Shared hobby/activity" is a relevant Yes --> mountain climbing? aviation? skydiving? A sport? Science? magic tricks? table games? None of these Others? Yes

Did they relevantly have a fight/discussion? Did they forget the presence of B? E.g. they were scientists or magician and B was under water as a part of an experiment. They had a fight and forgot that B was under water thus "killing" him? No to these
Did B see them braking up? Yes Did he see them having a discussion? Yes Did he see them separated? Need clarification on this one Did he know they broke up? Yes Did B die long after they broke up? No Soon after? Yes Did he commit suicide? No Did T and C relevantly know B? Yes
Are T and C famous (e.g. a royal couple)? No Did B lose his job? Yope Lose his credibility? No
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:39 am

Electrocution from: broken appliance? Bare wires? Opened appliance? Grounding fault? Lightning? Stored charge? Electric fence? Taser? An object belonging to himself? Tony? Caroline?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Earnest » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:22 am

I add to GalFisk list: electricity pole? defibrillator relevant? contact electric cable and water relevant? Are B, C and T neighbors? Did B relevantly touch something? Eat something? Came in contact with something? Had T and C simply had a discussion without them breaking up, would the puzzle still work? Or the act of breaking up is necessary for the death of B? If so: their separation? The fact they were no longer a couple? The fact that one of them threw off the wedding ring? Were C and T relevantly married? Had they break up on the phone, would the puzzle have worked? Did T made a relevant action when breaking up with C? Did C? E.g. they left something which they were carrying? they pressed a button? they turn on/off something? others? They stop a phone call (and hence deactivate/activate something through the phone) Were T and C working when breaking up? Was B? Did B work for them? Were T and C his customers? His bosses? Viceversa? Relevant B's relation with T and C? Colleagues? Friends? Was B driving the car where T and C were transported?

Did B see them braking up? Yes --> was B close to them? Was it the right moment to break up (no right moment to break up let's say... but I guess that breaking up while at work/performing an important action is more inappropriate than breaking up while at home having time for discussing)? Did they break up in a pacific way? By screaming/hurting/throwing objects?

Did T and C try to hit each other? Try to hurt each other?

Did they break up in a relevant place: at home? on a train? in a public place? outside? Inside? while raining (lightenings relevant)?

"Shared hobby/activity" is a relevant Yes --> cinema? theater? does it involve electricity? devices? technology? books? risk? Did B, T and C share the same hobby? If so, were they practicing it all together? Was it needed the attention of all the three to perform a relevant action? airplanes or other means of transport relevant?
Had B not died, would someone else be in danger? have died due to an accident?

Did B die because: C or T were distracted? C or T left something opened/turned on or off did not pay attention in what they were doing? Forgot something? Did not check something? Did not observe security measures?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Balin » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:09 pm

Electrocution from: broken appliance? Bare wires? Opened appliance? Grounding fault? This, I believe Lightning? Stored charge? Electric fence? Taser? An object belonging to himself? But also this Tony? Caroline?

I add to GalFisk list: electricity pole? defibrillator relevant? contact electric cable and water relevant? No to these
Are B, C and T neighbors? No
Did B relevantly touch something? Yes Eat something? No Came in contact with something? Yes Had T and C simply had a discussion without them breaking up, would the puzzle still work? No Or the act of breaking up is necessary for the death of B? Yes If so: their separation? Yes The fact they were no longer a couple? FA The fact that one of them threw off the wedding ring? FA
Were C and T relevantly married? No Had they break up on the phone, would the puzzle have worked? Yes, probably
Did T made a relevant action when breaking up with C? Did C? No to both E.g. they left something which they were carrying? they pressed a button? they turn on/off something? others? They stop a phone call (and hence deactivate/activate something through the phone) Therefore No to these
Were T and C working when breaking up? Yes, or rather shortly before Was B? Yes, see prev Did B work for them? Yes (though I'd say "with" more than "for") Were T and C his customers? His bosses? Viceversa? No, but see next Relevant B's relation with T and C? Yes Colleagues? This Friends? Was B driving the car where T and C were transported? Cars & transport are irrel

Did B see them braking up? Yes --> was B close to them? Yes Was it the right moment to break up (no right moment to break up let's say... but I guess that breaking up while at work/performing an important action is more inappropriate than breaking up while at home having time for discussing)? Irrel Did they break up in a pacific way? Assume it was just a discussion By screaming/hurting/throwing objects? No/Irrel

Did T and C try to hit each other? Try to hurt each other? No/Irrel

Did they break up in a relevant place: Yes at home? Yes... on a train? in a public place? outside? Inside? Therefore this while raining (lightenings relevant)? Lightning is irrel

"Shared hobby/activity" is a relevant Yes -->
cinema? theater? Not these does it involve electricity? Yes, in this case devices? DOYD technology? DOYD books? No risk? No Did B, T and C share the same hobby? Yes If so, were they practicing it all together? They had been Was it needed the attention of all the three to perform a relevant action? No airplanes or other means of transport relevant? No
Had B not died, would someone else be in danger? have died due to an accident? No to both

Did B die because: C or T were distracted? C or T left something opened/turned on or off did not pay attention in what they were doing? Forgot something? Did not check something? Did not observe security measures? No to these
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:41 pm

Was there something wrong with the object? With how Brian used it? If they'd not broken up, would anyone have been electrocuted? If so, Tony? Caroline? Would Brian still have received a shock, but Tony or Caroline would've been there to save him? Relevant what the object was? Where it was? How it was used? If they'd not broken up, would it be used differently? Not used? Used by someone else? Would another object performing the same function be used?
Does the object produce: light? Sound? Picture? Print? Wind? Heat? Cold? Smell? Cooking? Entertainment? Pleasure? Relaxation? Movement? Massage? Electric shocks when used as intended? Fire? An arc? Gas? Transportation? Charging?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Earnest » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:15 am

at home? Yes... --> B's home? C and T's home? Relevant? Can we assume that C and T live together? If so, is their house also their workplace? B's workplace? Switches and sockets relevant? Exposed cables? voltage drop? light bulbs? microwaves? repairing objects relevant? Electrical tips installation?

Did C and T came in contact with the relevant object that killed B? Were B, C and T all touching it? Did C and T lost the grip? Left something falling on the ground? Was B holding the object alone? Were C and T holding the object with him? If so, also when he died? Did something change when C and T fought together? They induced the electrocution directly? Indirectly? Did B relevantly react to them breaking up? If so, was he relevantly: surprised? Relieved? happy? afraid?
Are cameras relevant? Journalism? Did T and C discussed/broke up due to B? Were C and B in a secret relationship? Betrayal relevant?

WAG --> the 3 were changing a light bulb. C and T were balancing the ladder over which B was in order to change the bulb. The began fighting and left the ladder. B hence , in order not to fall, instinctively grab the bare wires on the ceiling while the current flew and got electrocuted.
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Balin » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:17 pm

Was there something wrong with the object? Yes, but also see below With how Brian used it? No If they'd not broken up, would anyone have been electrocuted? No If so, Tony? Caroline? Would Brian still have received a shock, but Tony or Caroline would've been there to save him? No Relevant what the object was? Yes Where it was? Yes How it was used? No If they'd not broken up, would it be used differently? Not used? Used by someone else? No to these Would another object performing the same function be used? No
Does the object produce: light? Sound? This, No to rest Picture? Print? Wind? Heat? Cold? Smell? Cooking? Entertainment? Pleasure? Relaxation? Movement? Massage? Electric shocks when used as intended? Fire? An arc? Gas? Transportation? Charging?

at home? Yes... -->
B's home? C and T's home? The breakup took place here Relevant? Yes Can we assume that C and T live together? Yes If so, is their house also their workplace? Yes B's workplace? Yes Switches and sockets relevant? Yes - where? Exposed cables? voltage drop? light bulbs? microwaves? repairing objects relevant? Electrical tips installation? No to rest

Did C and T came in contact with the relevant object that killed B? No Were B, C and T all touching it? No Did C and T lost the grip? Left something falling on the ground? Therefore No to these Was B holding the object alone? Yes Were C and T holding the object with him? No If so, also when he died? Did something change when C and T fought together? Yes They induced the electrocution directly? Indirectly? This Did B relevantly react to them breaking up? Somewhat If so, was he relevantly: surprised? Relieved? happy? afraid? Assume "sad"
Are cameras relevant? Journalism? Did T and C discussed/broke up due to B? Were C and B in a secret relationship? Betrayal relevant? No to these

WAG --> the 3 were changing a light bulb. C and T were balancing the ladder over which B was in order to change the bulb. The began fighting and left the ladder. B hence , in order not to fall, instinctively grab the bare wires on the ceiling while the current flew and got electrocuted. Nice guess, but No - OTWT
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:51 am

Object: radio? Walkie talkie? Electric guitar? Ampliphiers? A microphone? An LP? A juke boxe? An appliance? A toy? A carousel? A device? A model (e.g. train model)?

B came into contact with the object = he "played" it? He touched it with a finger? With both hands? With the mouth? With a leg? With an hand? With two fingers (e.g. a switch)? With the head? Others? Did he touch it for more than a second? Was he already touching it when he got electroluted? Was the object making sound when he was electroluted? Before? After?

Switches and sockets relevant? Yes - where?--> near B? Near C? Near T? Inside the house? In a relevant room of the house? Kitchen? Bathroom? Living room? Others?

Is the sound produced: a noise? A melody? A continuous sound? A discontinuous one? An alarm? A bip? Is there volume? Can volume be adjusted? Is the sound produced by the object? By the user (e.g. a microphone or a camera/ recording machine)? Voice tonality relevant? Laud voice (e.g. laud voice implying laud volumes to cover the discussion?)? Unplugging something relevant? Charging something?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby trebor » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:18 am

Trying to address the underlying FA here. Were any of the three people here involved in a romantic/sexual relationship with each other? If so, T and C? Were T and C roommates, as opposed to romantic partners? Were they breaking up in the sense of a couple ending a romantic partnership? Business partners ending a relationship? Breaking up a friendship? Breaking up an organization? Breaking up the object that electrocuted B? Another object? Or perhaps they were phone/radio pioneers testing out new technology and Brian witnessed their phone call/transmission breaking up?

Is the object that electrocuted Brian related to their work? If we figured out there work, would we associate the object that electrocuted Brian with that profession?
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Re: [Balin] I feel so broke up

Postby Balin » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:36 pm

Object: radio? Walkie talkie? Electric guitar? This Ampliphiers? A microphone? An LP? A juke boxe? An appliance? A toy? A carousel? A device? A model (e.g. train model)?

B came into contact with the object = he "played" it? Yes He touched it with a finger? With both hands? And thus this With the mouth? With a leg? With an hand? With two fingers (e.g. a switch)? With the head? Others? Did he touch it for more than a second? Yes Was he already touching it when he got electroluted? Yes Was the object making sound when he was electroluted? Assume Yes Before? After?

Switches and sockets relevant? Yes - where?--> near B? This Near C? Near T? Inside the house? In Brian's house In a relevant room of the house? Kitchen? Bathroom? Living room? Others?

Is the sound produced: a noise? A melody? This, and other music A continuous sound? A discontinuous one? An alarm? A bip? Is there volume? Yes Can volume be adjusted? Yes Is the sound produced by the object? Yes By the user (e.g. a microphone or a camera/ recording machine)? Voice tonality relevant? Laud voice (e.g. laud voice implying laud volumes to cover the discussion?)? Unplugging something relevant? Charging something?

Trying to address the underlying FA here. Were any of the three people here involved in a romantic/sexual relationship with each other? No, and that's the FA If so, T and C? Were T and C roommates, as opposed to romantic partners? That's not their relevant connection Were they breaking up in the sense of a couple ending a romantic partnership? Business partners ending a relationship? Some subset of this Breaking up a friendship? Breaking up an organization? Or this Breaking up the object that electrocuted B? Another object? Or perhaps they were phone/radio pioneers testing out new technology and Brian witnessed their phone call/transmission breaking up?

Is the object that electrocuted Brian related to their work? Yes If we figured out there work, would we associate the object that electrocuted Brian with that profession? And Yes
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