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[JenBurdoo] The Gift (PASS)

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:19 am

A photographer takes a photo of a man, and allows him to keep a prop in exchange. The man is disappointed. Explain.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby Earnest » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:03 am

sorry...prop is like a support for the camera?

So there are two men: photographer and man (can we call A?) who is photographed right? The photographer allows the man to keep a prop right? In exchange = in exchange to the picture taken? The man is disappointed --> the photographer? The photographed man?

Did the man pose for the photographer? Was the photographer making his job when taking the picture of the man? Did the photographer take the picture of the man while he was doing something relevant? something intimate? something concerning his job? while posing?
Is the man famous? Copyrights relevant? image of the man relevant? Was the man an actor? is a movie filmed? social media relevant? posting pictures? Was the man a politician? Privacy relevant?

To be sure: a photographer takes a photo of a man --> does it mean that the photographer had a camera and took a picture to the man? Or maybe that there was a picture of a man already taken by someone else (or by the photographer himself in the past) and the photographer took it (i.e. form a wall/ from a frame...)? Did the photographer took a picture of the man in the past? In that moment? In the moment in which he proposed the exchange? Relevant where the picture is taken?

The man is disappointed --> for the picture taken? for the exchange proposed? Because the exchange was not fair? Because he did not want any exchange?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:14 pm

sorry...prop is like a support for the camera? No, like a movie prop.

So there are two men: photographer and man (can we call A?) who is photographed right? Yes. The photographer allows the man to keep a prop right? Yes. In exchange = in exchange to the picture taken? Yes. The man is disappointed --> the photographer? The photographed man? This.

Did the man pose for the photographer? Yes. Was the photographer making his job when taking the picture of the man? Yes. Did the photographer take the picture of the man while he was doing something relevant? Yes. something intimate? No. something concerning his job? No. while posing? Yes.
Is the man famous? Copyrights relevant? image of the man relevant? Was the man an actor? is a movie filmed? social media relevant? posting pictures? Was the man a politician? Privacy relevant? No to all else.

To be sure: a photographer takes a photo of a man --> does it mean that the photographer had a camera and took a picture to the man? Yes. Or maybe that there was a picture of a man already taken by someone else (or by the photographer himself in the past) and the photographer took it (i.e. form a wall/ from a frame...)? No. Did the photographer took a picture of the man in the past? In that moment? This. In the moment in which he proposed the exchange? Relevant where the picture is taken? Mildly.

The man is disappointed --> for the picture taken? for the exchange proposed? Because the exchange was not fair? Because he did not want any exchange? None of these.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby Earnest » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:59 pm

flash relevant? nudity?

movie prop = something embarrassing? Something concerning the picture? a mask? the reproduction of an object? a wig? bigger than a ball? an every day object? a fake weapon? a chair? a musical instrument? a prop reproducing an object belonging to a regime? a prop that the man was keeping while posing (e.g. whiskers like the ones of Hitler)? Something that could be offensive for a group of people?

The man is disappointed --> because an exchange was proposed? because he recognized the prop? because he did not know that the prop was actually a prop?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:31 pm

flash relevant? nudity? No to both.

movie prop = something embarrassing? Something concerning the picture? a mask? the reproduction of an object? a wig? bigger than a ball? an every day object? a fake weapon? a chair? a musical instrument? a prop reproducing an object belonging to a regime? a prop that the man was keeping while posing (e.g. whiskers like the ones of Hitler)? Something that could be offensive for a group of people? I think it could be regarded as an everyday object, of a size to be held in the hand. No to the rest.

The man is disappointed --> because an exchange was proposed? because he recognized the prop? because he did not know that the prop was actually a prop? None of these, and it is only a prop for purposes of the photo - it is an actual object and not a model or fake.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby GalFisk » Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:32 am

Did the man expect to get something else? Something more? Something better? Is the prop a tool? Toy? Food? Article of clothing? Piece of furniture? Weapon? Medical equipment? Jewelry? Artwork? Would he be equally disappointed if the deal was the same but he was filmed? Painted? Did the photographer provide the prop?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby Earnest » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:02 am

Was the man disappointed by the fact that the photgrapher considered the object as a prop? Maybe the object had a sentimental value for the man?

Was the man standing while posing? On a bed? On the floor? Was he sitting on a chiar? Performing a relevant action? Was the man middle aged? Young? Old? Was the man posing for: an advertising? An event (e.g. wedding)? His graveyard picture? To motivate someone? A campaign? Politics? Propaganda?

Physical handicaps relevant? Maybe the fact that the photographer thought that the object was a prop was an offense for the man? Maybe the fact that he noticed the object also? E.g. a toupee? A prosthesis? Or maybe a uniform? (E.g. the photographer did not think that he was indeed an important person?)
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby trebor » Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:56 am

Is the man’s profession relevant? Does he have a relevant relationship with the photographer beyond photographer and subject?

Was the photo to be for personal use? Professional? Was the man going to give the photo to someone else? Or copies of it to more than one person?

Time period relevant? Modern day? Is the length of the exposure relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:04 pm

Did the man expect to get something else? Something more? Something better? This. Is the prop a tool? Toy? Food? Drink. Article of clothing? Piece of furniture? Weapon? Medical equipment? Jewelry? Artwork? Would he be equally disappointed if the deal was the same but he was filmed? Yes. Painted. Yope. Did the photographer provide the prop? Yes.

Was the man disappointed by the fact that the photographer considered the object as a prop? Maybe the object had a sentimental value for the man? No to both.

Was the man standing while posing? On a bed? On the floor? Was he sitting on a chair? Any of these would work. Assume sitting. Performing a relevant action? No. Was the man middle aged? Young? Most likely. Old? Was the man posing for: an advertising? This. An event (e.g. wedding)? His graveyard picture? To motivate someone? A campaign? Politics? Propaganda? Possibly. No to the rest.

Physical handicaps relevant? No. Maybe the fact that the photographer thought that the object was a prop was an offense for the man? No. Maybe the fact that he noticed the object also? E.g. a toupee? A prosthesis? Or maybe a uniform? (E.g. the photographer did not think that he was indeed an important person?) No to all.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby Earnest » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:17 am

Did the man advertise the prop? Was the prop the exact product advertised? Was there something to drink? Was it the product advertised? Something else? Did the prop have relevantly a logo on it? E.g. maybe cola was advertised but the prop was filled with water or something else?

Was the drink something he had ever drunk in his life? Something new? Something alcoholic?Religion relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:37 pm

Was he disappointed because he had been misled? Had misunderstood something? Because the drink was of low quality? Wrong type? Non-alcoholic? Wrong size?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:27 pm

Did the man advertise the prop? Was the prop the exact product advertised? Was there something to drink? Was it the product advertised? Yes to all. Something else? Did the prop have relevantly a logo on it? E.g. maybe cola was advertised but the prop was filled with water or something else? No, it was the advertised drink. And it was cola.

Was the drink something he had ever drunk in his life? Irr. Something new? Something alcoholic?Religion relevant? No to all.

Was he disappointed because he had been misled? Had misunderstood something? Because the drink was of low quality? Explore. Wrong type? Non-alcoholic? Wrong size? No to all else.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby GalFisk » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:29 am

Was it flat? Warm? Watered down? Mixed with something else? Altered in order to make it look good in photos?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] The Gift

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:04 pm

Was it flat? Yes. Warm? And yes. Watered down? Mixed with something else? Altered in order to make it look good in photos?




SPOILER




From a Bill Mauldin cartoon:


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For any who can't see the picture:

A photographer has just taken a photo of a bedraggled GI holding a soda bottle. He announces, with the air of one bestowing a treat, "Congratulations. You are the 100th soldier who has posed with that bottle of Icey Cola. You may drink it."
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