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[Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:18 am
by Balin
A group of well-respected persons write a rude word hundreds of times. This receives the approval of another group. Why?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:30 am
by WiZ
Is the specific rude word relevant? Is it actually rude in context? Is anyone offended?

Do they write the word publicly? Is the medium relevant? Do they write electronically? Do they expect the rude words to be seen? Do the words they write linger for people to see?

Do they do this as part of their jobs? Their interests? A competition? Is this some sort of public service? Do they help anyone by doing this?

Is linguistics relevant? Censorship? Is the other group some sort of authority? Are they children or young people?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:47 am
by GalFisk
Do they write it by hand? Are they scientists? Are they training a neural network? Relevant which word they write? In which language? Are they making art? Doing an experiment? Testing something? Forensics relevant?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:49 am
by Earnest
Decoding relevant? Was it written: on paper? on menus? newspapers? dictionaries? on bombs (as in Second World War) ? as a protest against an injustice? On walls? on blackboards? on fields? Was the language English? Did they write the word all together? separately? Any word game involved? Was the word considered taboo? Also after having been written hundreds of times? Printing relevant? Was the word written as composition of letters (e.g. in scarabeo? or in keyboards) Is pun relevant? Is the rude word relevant? Is it objectively rude? Rude for someone only? For the other group of people giving the approval? Or maybe only them considered it not offensive/rude? Maybe because it was rude toward them?

group of well-respected persons --> politicians? Professors? Researchers? Scientists? Managers? Judges? Relevant their job?

approval of another group. --> of well respected people as well? Of people in general? Of people belonging to a minority?

Relevant how many times precisely they wrote the word? Did they write it with ink? With a keyboard? On screens? As part of advertising? Is the word newly invented (e.g. social media language)? In slang? Does it always have a rude meaning? was it meant to have a rude meaning? to attract the attention of someone (e.g. censorship)? to find a bug? To highlight a pattern? An injustice?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:35 pm
by Balin
Is the specific rude word relevant? Yes Is it actually rude in context? No Is anyone offended? Assume No

Do they write the word publicly? Yes Is the medium relevant? Yes Do they write electronically? The words were typed, Yes Do they expect the rude words to be seen? Yes Do the words they write linger for people to see? Yes (in that I can read them now)

Do they do this as part of their jobs? Yes Their interests? A competition?
Is this some sort of public service? No Do they help anyone by doing this? No

Is linguistics relevant? No Censorship? No Is the other group some sort of authority? Yes Are they children or young people? No

Do they write it by hand? They typed it, see above Are they scientists? Yes Are they training a neural network? No Relevant which word they write? Yes In which language? Yes
Are they making art? Doing an experiment? This Testing something? Forensics relevant?

Decoding relevant? No
Was it written: on paper? This, No to rest on menus? newspapers? dictionaries? on bombs (as in Second World War) ? as a protest against an injustice? On walls? on blackboards? on fields?
Was the language English? Yes
Did they write the word all together? Yes separately?
Any word game involved? No
Was the word considered taboo? Not in context Also after having been written hundreds of times? See prev
Printing relevant? Yes Was the word written as composition of letters Yes (e.g. in scarabeo? or in keyboards) Again, it was typed Is pun relevant? No Is the rude word relevant? Yes Is it objectively rude? Yes Rude for someone only? For the other group of people giving the approval? No, for a specific reason Or maybe only them considered it not offensive/rude? No, for the same specific reason Maybe because it was rude toward them? No

group of well-respected persons --> politicians? Professors? Researchers? Scientists? This Managers? Judges? Relevant their job? Yes

approval of another group. --> of well respected people as well? Yes Of people in general? It's a specific group Of people belonging to a minority? Race is irrel

Relevant how many times precisely they wrote the word? No
Did they write it with ink? With a keyboard? This On screens? As part of advertising?
Is the word newly invented (e.g. social media language)? No In slang? No Does it always have a rude meaning? Yes, generally was it meant to have a rude meaning? to attract the attention of someone (e.g. censorship)? to find a bug? To highlight a pattern? An injustice? No to these

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:59 pm
by Doriana
Do the two groups of people speak the same language?

Relevant what field the scientists work in? If so, psychology? linguistics? biology? chemistry? physics? computer science? neuroscience? engineering? political science? social science? Do they work with human subjects? If so, do the subjects see the rude words?

Is the second group also defined by their job?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:33 pm
by hominid
Is the rude word a slur? A swear? A word that's considered blasphemous? Does the first group have a controversial opinion about the word? Does the second group?

Is it a word that has an entirely different meaning in this context? Like the word "ass" meaning donkey?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:13 am
by GalFisk
Typing speed relevant? Typos? Hand health? Mental health? Were they typing the word into computers? On typewriters?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:17 pm
by Balin
Do the two groups of people speak the same language? Yes

Relevant what field the scientists work in? Yes If so, psychology? linguistics? biology? chemistry? physics? computer science? neuroscience? engineering? political science? social science? None of these are their specific discipline
Do they work with human subjects? No If so, do the subjects see the rude words?

Is the second group also defined by their job? Yes

Is the rude word a slur? Yes (beware FA) A swear? Yes A word that's considered blasphemous? No
Does the first group have a controversial opinion about the word? Does the second group? Neither

Is it a word that has an entirely different meaning in this context? Yes Like the word "ass" meaning donkey? No

Typing speed relevant? Typos? Hand health? Mental health? No to these Were they typing the word into computers? On typewriters?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:43 pm
by Doriana
Are the people in the second group scientists as well? politicians? journalists? teachers? healthcare professionals? lawyers? managers?

Does the first group relevantly write any other words? Is the rude word embedded in sentences?

Coronavirus genome relevant?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:57 pm
by Earnest
Is the word typed with another word? Or maybe as an acronym?
Relevant which was the swear? Was it typed at the same time by all the scientists? Were the scientists more than 10? More than 1000?
veterinary relevant? farmers? trainers? Are animals involved?
Did they type it as a result of a random process? Was the swear the result of a process? Or maybe the input of a process? Did they want to test the reaction of someone? Are social media relevant? Internet? Technology?
Would another word (not a swear) have worked? Would another swear have worked? Did they write also other words?

Did they type the rude word consecutively? Like in a row? A relevant number of times? E.g. call the rude word "rude": like: "ruderuderuderuderuderuderude"? Like: "rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude..." or maybe like "rude other words rude other words rude rude..."? Without any logical criterion? Is the rude word formed because of the repetition of some letters during a process (e.g. Gattacca in DNA)? Is any mistake made (omission/addition...)? (e.g. "shit" instead of "shift")

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:41 pm
by Balin
Are the people in the second group scientists as well? Yes, but that is not their only profession politicians? journalists? teachers? healthcare professionals? lawyers? managers? None of the others; "journalists" is close

Does the first group relevantly write any other words? Yes Is the rude word embedded in sentences? Yes

Coronavirus genome relevant? No

Is the word typed with another word? Yes Or maybe as an acronym? Yes (or rather, an abbrevation)
Relevant which was the swear? Yes Was it typed at the same time by all the scientists? Assume all of htem typed it at some point Were the scientists more than 10? More than 1000? Neither. It was 3 but the exact number is irrel
veterinary relevant? farmers? trainers? Are animals involved? No to these
Did they type it as a result of a random process? No Was the swear the result of a process? No Or maybe the input of a process? No
Did they want to test the reaction of someone? Are social media relevant? Internet? No to these Technology? Yes
Would another word (not a swear) have worked? No Would another swear have worked? No Did they write also other words? Yes

Did they type the rude word consecutively? No Like in a row? No A relevant number of times? No E.g. call the rude word "rude": like: "ruderuderuderuderuderuderude"? Like: "rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude rude..." or maybe like "rude other words rude other words rude rude..."? It was interspersed in sentences, I don't think consecutively but it may have been Without any logical criterion? No Is the rude word formed because of the repetition of some letters during a process (e.g. Gattacca in DNA)? No Is any mistake made (omission/addition...)? (e.g. "shit" instead of "shift") No

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:57 pm
by Doriana
Did the scientists use the rude word in a paper? a press release? an article? a talk? a blog post? a book?

Are the people in the other group editors? science communicators? writers?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:06 pm
by Balin
Did the scientists use the rude word in a paper? This a press release? an article? a talk? a blog post? a book?

Are the people in the other group editors? This science communicators? writers?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:27 pm
by Doriana
Do the editors approve because the scientists chose the abbreviation over the whole word? Character limits relevant? Page limits?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:12 am
by Balin
Do the editors approve because the scientists chose the abbreviation over the whole word? Character limits relevant? Page limits? No to these

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:36 am
by trebor
Were the scientists inserting that word to ensure that the editors were doing their job? Were the editors pleased that the scientists were holding them to task (like, it showed the editors the scientists cared about the editorial process?) I'm thinking of Van Halen's M&M rider here.

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:26 am
by Doriana
Had the editors previously suggested the scientists put the word in their paper? replace another word with the "rude" word?

Is the abbreviation commonly used in the scientists' field?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:51 am
by Earnest
Did group 2 have to spot rude words? Did someone else? Something else? Is censorship through technology relevant? Were the words censored? If so, with a noise? With a sound? With something visual?

Or maybe on he other way round, many due people complained about the fact hat devices ha helped them talking censored bad words and waned scientists to intervene?

Is the word he abbreviation of a clinical condition?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:08 pm
by Balin
Were the scientists inserting that word to ensure that the editors were doing their job? Were the editors pleased that the scientists were holding them to task (like, it showed the editors the scientists cared about the editorial process?) I'm thinking of Van Halen's M&M rider here. No, but that's a clever guess

Had the editors previously suggested the scientists put the word in their paper? No replace another word with the "rude" word? No

Is the abbreviation commonly used in the scientists' field? Yope

Did group 2 have to spot rude words? Did someone else? Something else? No to all Is censorship through technology relevant? No Were the words censored? No If so, with a noise? With a sound? With something visual?

Or maybe on he other way round, many due people complained about the fact hat devices ha helped them talking censored bad words and waned scientists to intervene? No

Is the word he abbreviation of a clinical condition? No

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:44 pm
by Doriana
Is the abbreviation becoming more common in the field? Is it replacing an older abbreviation? If so, is the older abbreviation considered offensive/problematic/non-pc?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:38 pm
by Balin
Is the abbreviation becoming more common in the field? Yope, possible FA Is it replacing an older abbreviation? No If so, is the older abbreviation considered offensive/problematic/non-pc? No

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:52 am
by Earnest
Is the field: medical? engineering? computer science?
Did they talk about a new technology? New uses for an old tech? Tech for environment? Space missions? Space X involved?

Is the abbreviation the truncation of a single word? The truncation of multiple words? the truncation of a single word that is distorted for pronunciation (e.g. "dict" standing for dictionary)? the truncation of a single word which has a different meaning and is better understood in such scientific field: for instance wording used in coding (to distinguish code from word)? Or again it is maybe a sequence of abbreviated names: for instance in Italian certain sequences of chords for bad words? Or maybe sequence of chemical elements, e.g. As (arsenic) S (Sulfur); F (Fluorine) U (Uranium) C (Carbon) K (Potassium)...
Or maybe is it a mathematical formula (with letters)/ an abbreviation created by them to avoid repeating a long combination of words?

Is it a stylistic wording (e.g. "et al.", "ditto", "w.r.t."...)? Or maybe the abbreviation is the title of the journal where they published?
An abbreviation that occurs when something relevant is communicated: e.g. a quote? a reference? a chemical element? Is it maybe used to solve possible typing misunderstandings (e.g. 6 and 9 if some reversed number are employed? verbal something similar?)?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:36 pm
by Balin
Is the field: medical? engineering? Neither of these would be their closest description, but this is most relevant to the paper computer science?
Did they talk about a new technology? It was about properties of a technology that is relatively new New uses for an old tech? Tech for environment? Space missions? Space X involved? No

Is the abbreviation the truncation of a single word? The truncation of multiple words? This the truncation of a single word that is distorted for pronunciation (e.g. "dict" standing for dictionary)? the truncation of a single word which has a different meaning and is better understood in such scientific field: for instance wording used in coding (to distinguish code from word)?
Or again it is maybe a sequence of abbreviated names: for instance in Italian certain sequences of chords for bad words? One is a standard abbreviation, but not like your example Or maybe sequence of chemical elements, e.g. As (arsenic) S (Sulfur); F (Fluorine) U (Uranium) C (Carbon) K (Potassium)... The other of the two is a chemical element, but N(nitrogen) O(oxygen) Ne(neon) are the ones listed in your example
Or maybe is it a mathematical formula (with letters)/ an abbreviation created by them to avoid repeating a long combination of words? Not mathematical, but you have the right idea; see above

Is it a stylistic wording (e.g. "et al.", "ditto", "w.r.t."...)? No Or maybe the abbreviation is the title of the journal where they published? No
An abbreviation that occurs when something relevant is communicated: e.g. a quote? a reference? Not these a chemical element? One of the two, see above Is it maybe used to solve possible typing misunderstandings (e.g. 6 and 9 if some reversed number are employed? No verbal something similar?)? No

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:35 am
by GalFisk
Is it an alkali metal? Noble gas? Alkaline earth metal? Halogen? Rare earth metal? Chalkogene? Actinide? Other metal? Nonmetal? Semiconductor? Gas? Liquid?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:11 pm
by Balin
Is it an alkali metal? Noble gas? Alkaline earth metal? Halogen? Rare earth metal? Chalkogene? Actinide? Other metal? This Nonmetal? Semiconductor? Gas? Liquid?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:03 pm
by GalFisk
Group 3B? 4B? 5B? 6B? 7B? 8B? 1B? 2B? 3A? 4A? 5A? Is the other abbreviation something made from this metal? Some chemical group attached to it? Such as Me for a methyl group?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:41 am
by markobr
Does the rude word refer to a body part? To some excretion of the body? To an animal? To an activity?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:39 am
by Balin
Group 3B? 4B? 5B? 6B? 7B? 8B? 1B? 2B? 3A? 4A? 5A? 1B Is the other abbreviation something made from this metal? Yes Some chemical group attached to it? No Such as Me for a methyl group? No

Does the rude word refer to a body part? This, No to restTo some excretion of the body? To an animal? To an activity?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:58 am
by markobr
Is the metal copper? And the other abbrevation is "NT"? "Nt"? "nT"? "nt"?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:25 am
by Earnest
Copper? Cu? Gold? Au? Silver? Ag? Others? Don't really remember other chemicals belonging to 1B xD.
Are such abbreviations listed one near the other? Or maybe in a composite? Is the chemical abbreviation employed in the paper? Or maybe the abbreviation of the word directly? Is the order of the abbreviations relevant? Could it be changed? Or maybe does it describe a repevant chemical link? Is it maybe a prefix/suffix? (As in methyl-...) as far as I understood the rude word refers to a body part and is a composition of chemical elements right? If it is a suffix is it "-ina"? "-ene"? "-ato"? Others?

Rude word: vagina? PE NIS?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:16 pm
by Balin
Is the metal copper? Yes And the other abbrevation is "NT"? "Nt"? "nT"? "nt"? Yes, "NT." All I need now is what the NT stands for.

Copper? Cu? This one Gold? Au? Silver? Ag? Others? Don't really remember other chemicals belonging to 1B xD.
Are such abbreviations listed one near the other? They're adjacent Or maybe in a composite? Is the chemical abbreviation employed in the paper? Yes Or maybe the abbreviation of the word directly?Yes Is the order of the abbreviations relevant? Yes Could it be changed? No, it's referring to "copper [something]" Or maybe does it describe a repevant chemical link? Not exactly Is it maybe a prefix/suffix? (As in methyl-...) No as far as I understood the rude word refers to a body part and is a composition of chemical elements right? One element, one something else If it is a suffix is it "-ina"? "-ene"? "-ato"? Others? No

Rude word: vagina? PE NIS? Neither

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:46 pm
by markobr
The field - not engineering, but somewhat related to. Chemistry? Metallurgy? Physics? Surveying? Metrology? Architecture? Town/country planning? Agriculture? Forestry?

Is there such a thing as a FeNT? NiNT? AuNT? TiNT? UNT? BiNT? TaNT? WNT? AlNT? MgNT? AlNT? GeNT? SiNT? AsNT? BeNT? NaNT? CaNT? OsNT? BNT? CNT? PNT? ClNT? ONT? NNT? HNT? XeNT? HeNT? NeNT? Could there be these things?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:47 pm
by Doriana
Does the NT stand for nanotechnology?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:01 pm
by Balin
The field - not engineering, but somewhat related to. Chemistry? Metallurgy? Physics? Surveying? Metrology? Architecture? Town/country planning? Agriculture? Forestry? See below

Is there such a thing as a FeNT? NiNT? AuNT? TiNT? UNT? BiNT? TaNT? WNT? AlNT? MgNT? AlNT? GeNT? SiNT? AsNT? BeNT? NaNT? CaNT? OsNT? BNT? CNT? <- This, most commonly PNT? ClNT? ONT? NNT? HNT? XeNT? HeNT? NeNT? Could there be these things? I'd say there could theoretically be NTs of any solid element, but as I'm not a chemist I don't know if there are properties that would prevent it

Does the NT stand for nanotechnology? "Nano" yes, "technology" no, but nanotechnology is the field

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:27 pm
by GalFisk
Nanotubes?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:28 am
by Doriana
Has the paper gone viral (beyond the nanotechnology community) because of the rude word? Did people share it on social media because they thought it was funny? (I imagine it contains stuff like "Our new and improved C*NTs..." and I can see how that could make the rounds on twitter or reddit)

Is the paper paywalled? If so, do the editors approve because now that it's viral, more people pay to download and read the paper, and the journal/publisher makes more money?

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:35 pm
by Balin
Nanotubes? Yep!

Has the paper gone viral (beyond the nanotechnology community) because of the rude word? I don't think it's gone viral, but it's been noticed outside of the community. I found it on TV Tropes Did people share it on social media because they thought it was funny? (I imagine it contains stuff like "Our new and improved C*NTs..." and I can see how that could make the rounds on twitter or reddit) I have no idea how widespread it is

Is the paper paywalled? Irrel If so, do the editors approve because now that it's viral, more people pay to download and read the paper, and the journal/publisher makes more money? The approval is simply in that the paper was approved for publication

Anyway, here's the

****SPOILER****

Three Chinese scientists wrote a paper regarding the properties of copper nanotubes, which they abbrevated using the chemical symbol for copper - Cu - and the letters NT for nanotubes. The (presumably) inadvertent rudeness of this conjunction did not faze the editors of Science China Physics, Mechanics & Astronomy, who gave it their approval by publishing it.

Nicely worked out. Watch your abbrevations.

Re: [Balin] This one actually is rude (*SP**L*D*)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:17 pm
by WiZ
Welp, I now have a new veiled insult.

I can't work like this, I'm surrounded by useless copper nanotubes!