[Doriana] That's 33.92 USD or 26.74 GBP [FINED]

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[Doriana] That's 33.92 USD or 26.74 GBP [FINED]

Postby Doriana » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:34 pm

Brindi paid 70 cents because Victoria didn't want to pay 30 Euros. In the end, they both paid € 3.50

Brindi and Victoria = both H/A/F
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Re: [Doriana] That's 33.92 USD or 26.74 GBP

Postby hominid » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:28 pm

Are Brindi and Victoria friends? Lovers? Strangers? Coworkers? Roommates? Relatives?

They both paid €3.50=Brindi paid €3.50 and Victoria also paid €3.50? Or did they pay a combined €3.50?

Were Brindi's 70 cents part of the €3.50?

Was all the money going to the same person? Same group?

Is it relevant where exactly they are? Would this work in places that don't use the Euro?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:33 pm

Are Brindi and Victoria friends? This Lovers? Strangers? Coworkers? Roommates? Relatives?

They both paid €3.50=Brindi paid €3.50 and Victoria also paid €3.50? This Or did they pay a combined €3.50?

Were Brindi's 70 cents part of the €3.50? No

Was all the money going to the same person? Same group? No to both

Is it relevant where exactly they are? Their exact location is not relevant, but something about it is Would this work in places that don't use the Euro? Yes, provided everything else is the same
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:46 pm

Are the cents Eurocents? USD cents? Some other dollar cents? Did they know they'd end up paying €3.50 each? Did they pay it to the Loch Ness monster? Did they want to pay €3.50 each? Were they forced to? Did they pay €3.50 each for a product? Service? As a fine? Donation? Bribe? Compensation? Did they pay a person? Company? Charity? Official?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:33 pm

Are the cents Eurocents? Yes USD cents? Some other dollar cents? Did they know they'd end up paying €3.50 each? They knew that this could happen Did they pay it to the Loch Ness monster? No Did they want to pay €3.50 each? No Were they forced to? Yes Did they pay €3.50 each for a product? Service? As a fine? This Donation? Bribe? Compensation? Did they pay a person? Company? This Charity? Official?
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Postby hominid » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:57 pm

Are the 70 cents a fine? Are the 30 euros?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:53 am

Are the 70 cents a fine? Are the 30 euros? No to both
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:00 am

So, did they play a game? Did they bet? Did they buy something? Want to buy something? Did they buy a ticket? Did they want to buy something at the vending machine? on the internet?

Brindi paid 70 cents because Victoria didn't want to pay 30 Euros --> had V paid 30 Euros, would they have avoided the fine? Did V paid 29,30 Euros? Did V pay something? Had V paid 30 Euros, would she have receive a change? Did B pay 70 cents for both? For her only? Does it give access to something? Music? Movies? A content on the internet?

Is the fine due to having broken some specific rules (i.e. rules of a specific game/company/pub/building/...)? Or general rules (e.g. parking lots rules, airport rules...)? Is food involved?
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Re: [Doriana] That's 33.92 USD or 26.74 GBP

Postby Doriana » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:04 am

So, did they play a game? Did they bet? Did they buy something? Want to buy something? No to all Did they buy a ticket? No, but explore Did they want to buy something at the vending machine? on the internet? No to these

Brindi paid 70 cents because Victoria didn't want to pay 30 Euros --> had V paid 30 Euros, would they have avoided the fine? Yes Did V paid 29,30 Euros? Did V pay something? No to both Had V paid 30 Euros, would she have receive a change? No Did B pay 70 cents for both? This, but explore For her only? Does it give access to something? Music? Movies? A content on the internet? No to these

Is the fine due to having broken some specific rules (i.e. rules of a specific game/company/pub/building/...)? The rules of a specific company Or general rules (e.g. parking lots rules, airport rules...)? Is food involved? No to rest
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:28 am

tokens relevant? Did B pay the 70 cents to someone relevantly?

Is the company involved in: food? Entertainment? Rental? washing machines? money exchange? selling on the internet?

Did they buy a ticket? No, but explore --> did they buy something on the internet? On amazon? On Apple store?

Is the singer 50Cent relevant?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:20 am

tokens relevant? No Did B pay the 70 cents to someone relevantly? She paid them to a company

Is the company involved in: food? Entertainment? Rental? washing machines? money exchange? selling on the internet? No to all

Did they buy a ticket? No, but explore --> did they buy something on the internet? On amazon? On Apple store? No to all, getting OTWT again

Is the singer 50Cent relevant? No
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Postby Balin » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:45 pm

Was the 70 cents paid as part of a purchase? Would the 30 Euros have been?
Are all amounts in the same currency?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:53 pm

Was the 70 cents paid as part of a purchase? Would the 30 Euros have been?
Are all amounts in the same currency?
Yes to all
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:07 pm

Did they pay the cents to the same company as the €3.50? Would the €30, if it had been paid, have gone to the same company? Did they suffer any consequences besides the fine? Such as being thrown out from somewhere? Or being unable to enter? Or having some object taken? Are trademarks relevant? Fake products? Smuggling?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:10 pm

Did they pay the cents to the same company as the €3.50? No Would the €30, if it had been paid, have gone to the same company? The € 30 would have gone to the company that received the 2x3.50 Did they suffer any consequences besides the fine? No Such as being thrown out from somewhere? Or being unable to enter? Or having some object taken? Are trademarks relevant? Fake products? Smuggling? No to all, although "fake products" is very slightly OTRT
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:12 am

Did the 70 cent pay for a product? Service? Forgery? Bribe? As way of an apology? A fee? The usage of a facility? Such as a locker? A bathroom? Did they try to get out of paying something they owed?
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Postby Doriana » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:39 am

Did the 70 cent pay for a product? Service? This Forgery? Bribe? As way of an apology? A fee? The usage of a facility? Such as a locker? A bathroom? Did they try to get out of paying something they owed? No to rest
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:25 am

Is copyright relevant?

Did B pay the 70 Cents to someone directly? Can the service be considered an ordinary service? Are means of transportation relevant? Calling company A the company that would have received the 30 euros and the 2x3.50 and company C the other, is company A a public company? Is company C? Are there relevantly cameras? Inspectors?

Service? This --> the right to enter somewhere? a ride on a taxi? taking a picture somewhere/with someone?

Did V want that B pay for her? Did she expect? DId V pay for both in order to save money? To have a better service? To have a service? Were they tourists? Did they pay for wi-fi connection? Did they pay for a surplus?
Were they inside a building? Inside company A? If they were in a building, were they in a museum? Audio radio instead of official guides relevant? Were they in a pub? In a bank? In an hotel?
Are phones relevant? calls?

Is receipt relevant? E.g. B paid 70 cents but she did not receive the receipt and got fined
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Postby Doriana » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:00 am

Is copyright relevant? No

Did B pay the 70 Cents to someone directly? She paid them to a person that works for the company Can the service be considered an ordinary service? Yes Are means of transportation relevant? Yes Calling company A the company that would have received the 30 euros and the 2x3.50 and company C the other, is company A a public company? Is company C? Both are Are there relevantly cameras? No Inspectors? Yes

Service? This --> the right to enter somewhere? a ride on a taxi? taking a picture somewhere/with someone? No to all

Did V want that B pay for her? Did she expect? Irrel to both Did V pay for both in order to save money? Yes, to save € 30, but potential FA To have a better service? No To have a service? Yes Were they tourists? Did they pay for wi-fi connection? Did they pay for a surplus? No to all
Were they inside a building? No Inside company A? At some point, Victoria was inside company A for svv of "inside" If they were in a building, were they in a museum? Audio radio instead of official guides relevant? Were they in a pub? In a bank? In an hotel? No to all
Are phones relevant? calls? No to both

Is receipt relevant? No E.g. B paid 70 cents but she did not receive the receipt and got fined
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Postby Balin » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:10 pm

Was the 70-cent purchase for a ticket? Would the 30 Euro purchase have been?
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Postby Doriana » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:26 pm

Was the 70-cent purchase for a ticket? No Would the 30 Euro purchase have been? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:10 pm

mean of transportation = taxi? bus? suburb? airplane? Train? Bike? Trail? camper? showboat? cable car?
Did they use the mean of transportation? Pay for a ride? Stay there overnight?

Inspectors? Yes --> did he check a piece of paper? The list of passengers? The names of passengers? Did he ask B and V something relevant? Documents? tickets or something similar? Or maybe it was like an automatic inspector as for sky pass?

Is something like first class vs second class relevant? Or economy vs business? Is exchange of tickets?
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Postby Doriana » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:06 pm

mean of transportation = taxi? bus? suburb? airplane? Train? This Bike? Trail? camper? showboat? cable car?
Did they use the mean of transportation? Victoria did Pay for a ride? No Stay there overnight? Irrel

Inspectors? Yes --> did he check a piece of paper? The list of passengers? The names of passengers? Did he ask B and V something relevant? Documents? tickets or something similar? He checked Victoria's ticket Or maybe it was like an automatic inspector as for sky pass?

Is something like first class vs second class relevant? Or economy vs business? Is exchange of tickets? No to all
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Postby Balin » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:14 am

Were the two fined for riding without a ticket?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:27 am

Were the two fined for riding without a ticket? Yope, explore. And keep in mind that only Victoria was on the train
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Postby Balin » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:05 pm

Did Victoria have a non-valid ticket? Have a ticket for something else? Have an expired ticket? Have no ticket at all?
Did Victoria have something that identified her as Brindi?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:07 pm

P.s. Had it not been an hint, I would have called the post "Victorias' tickets" xD

Did the inspector fine only V 7 euros and then V shared the fine's cost with B?
Had V an invalid ticket? A no obliterated ticket? An old ticket? Did V pay. for the ticket? Did B? Relevant if she had a place to sit?

To be sure: was V fined because the inspector inspected her ticket? was V aware that B paid 70 cents for something? Did B pay 70 cents for V's ticket? A coffee? Something related to V's being on the train? Company A is the train company right? Company C is a train company too? Is differences in trains relevant? E.g. local trains vs intercity?
And V did not want to pay 30 euros for the train ticket right?

Was B in another train? In another mean of transportation? Relevant where she was? Was B following V? Relevant where the departure station was? Where the arrival station was?
Had V paid more than 70 cents would they be fined? Would the inspector have checked V ticket and fined her?

Are Indian trains relevant? Is color printing relevant? (e.g. B paid 70 cents to make a color print of V's ticket) Is printing ticket relevant at all?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:37 pm

Did Victoria have a non-valid ticket? Yope Have a ticket for something else? Have an expired ticket? Have no ticket at all? No to rest
Did Victoria have something that identified her as Brindi? YES, good question

P.s. Had it not been an hint, I would have called the post "Victorias' tickets" xD Ha, good one!

Did the inspector fine only V 7 euros and then V shared the fine's cost with B? Yes (slight -ish, but nothing to worry about)
Had V an invalid ticket? Yope A no obliterated ticket? An old ticket? Did V pay. for the ticket? No to these Did B? Yes (again, slight -ish) Relevant if she had a place to sit? Irrel

To be sure: was V fined because the inspector inspected her ticket? Yes was V aware that B paid 70 cents for something? Yes Did B pay 70 cents for V's ticket? Noish A coffee? No Something related to V's being on the train? Yes Company A is the train company right? Correct Company C is a train company too? No Is differences in trains relevant? No E.g. local trains vs intercity?
And V did not want to pay 30 euros for the train ticket right? Correct

Was B in another train? In another mean of transportation? No to all Relevant where she was? Yes, see next answers Was B following V? No Relevant where the departure station was? Where the arrival station was? No to both, but Brindi's location is relevant in relation to the station
Had V paid more than 70 cents would they be fined? Yes Would the inspector have checked V ticket and fined her? Yes

Are Indian trains relevant? Is color printing relevant? (e.g. B paid 70 cents to make a color print of V's ticket) Is printing ticket relevant at all? No to all

Good round of questions, Balin and Earnest! Sorry for the -ishes, there are some details involved that will become clear in the §poiler, so don't dwell on them. Find out more about the yopishly valid ticket.
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Postby Balin » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:39 pm

Did Victoria have Brindi's ticket? Brindi's license or ID? A false ID?
Did the 70 cents pay for admission to the train?
Is Brindi at the departure station? Arrival station?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:41 pm

Did Victoria have Brindi's ticket? Yes! Brindi's license or ID? No, and this is relevant A false ID? No
Did the 70 cents pay for admission to the train? No
Is Brindi at the departure station? Arrival station? This, or at least in the same city
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:03 pm

Was the ticket personal? Did the ticket include a rebate or similar that Brindi but not Victoria was eligible for?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:07 pm

Was the ticket personal? Yes Did the ticket include a rebate or similar that Brindi but not Victoria was eligible for? Yes, but the ticket being personal is more relevant
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Re: [Doriana] That's 33.92 USD or 26.74 GBP

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:45 pm

Were they both fined for abusing a personal ticket? But the fine was lower than paying for a new one, so they went with it? Were the 70 cents paid for some alteration to the ticket? Such as moving it to another time or day?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:28 pm

Were they both fined for abusing a personal ticket? No But the fine was lower than paying for a new one, so they went with it? But yes Were the 70 cents paid for some alteration to the ticket? Such as moving it to another time or day? No to all
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Postby Balin » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:39 pm

Were the 70 cents paid in postage? Did Brindi mail the ticket to Victoria?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:11 pm

Were the 70 cents paid in postage? Did Brindi mail the ticket to Victoria? YES to both, well done!

********SPOILER********

Victoria wants to visit her friend Brindi, but doesn't want to spend €30 on a train ticket. Brindi has a student ticket that's valid on all trains in their state, but only in conjunction with photo ID. She mails her ticket to Victoria, knowing that most ticket inspectors don't check photo ID, and even if they do, it's just a €7 fine (instead of the usual €60 for fare evasion) if you show the ticket and valid photo ID at a train station within two weeks. They agree to split the €7 fine if Victoria gets caught.


I have to admit that this is a true story from my college days...
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Postby Balin » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:28 pm

That's brilliant, and well-worded too. Excellent puzzle!
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