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[markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:03 pm
by markobr
A civil servant fills out a form. He expects to stay in his current position for a long time, but is very sure he will never fill out this type of form again.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:25 pm
by Doriana
Does he fill out the form as part of his job?

Is the form related to infrastructure? buildings? traffic? citizenship? ID? marriage? registering a child? religion? motor vehicles? taxes? money?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:41 pm
by markobr
Doriana wrote:Does he fill out the form as part of his job? Yes.

Is the form related to infrastructure? buildings? traffic? citizenship? ID? marriage? This. registering a child? religion? motor vehicles? taxes? money?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:48 pm
by Doriana
Does he fill out the form as part of performing a marriage ceremony? Before the marriage ceremony? afterwards? not in relation to a specific marriage ceremony?

Divorce relevant? Recognizing marriages from other countries relevant? Same-sex marriage relevant? COVID-19 relevant?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:11 pm
by markobr
Does he fill out the form as part of performing a marriage ceremony? Before the marriage ceremony? afterwards? Probably afterwards, maybe during the ceremony. not in relation to a specific marriage ceremony? The action is in relation to a specific marriage ceremony.

Divorce relevant? Recognizing marriages from other countries relevant? Same-sex marriage relevant? COVID-19 relevant? No to all.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:42 pm
by Doriana
Has he filled out this kind of form in the past? If so, also in relation to marriage ceremonies? Does he expect to perform further marriage ceremonies in the future?

His position will remain the same, but will anything else change about his job? Will he be transferred to another location?
Will anything relevantly change in the country he lives in?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:50 pm
by markobr
Has he filled out this kind of form in the past? No. If so, also in relation to marriage ceremonies? The form is only relevant in relation to marriages, in fact it is the form for an entry into the marriage register. Does he expect to perform further marriage ceremonies in the future? No.

His position will remain the same, but will anything else change about his job? No. Will he be transferred to another location? No.
Will anything relevantly change in the country he lives in? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:36 pm
by Doriana
Has he performed marriage ceremonies in the past?

Are marriages not usually within his area of responsibility? Was the marriage ceremony performed under unusual circumstances?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:48 pm
by markobr
Has he performed marriage ceremonies in the past? No.

Are marriages not usually within his area of responsibility? Correct, they aren't. Was the marriage ceremony performed under unusual circumstances? Yope. Ask more precisely.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:59 pm
by Doriana
Were two people getting married? If so, both H/A? Was it their plan to get married?

Did the marriage ceremony take place in a location where weddings have taken place before? where weddings typically take place? where weddings will take place in the future?

Relevant what the man's usual area of responsibility is?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:02 pm
by markobr
Were two people getting married? Yes. If so, both H/A? Yes. Was it their plan to get married? Yes.

Did the marriage ceremony take place in a location where weddings have taken place before? Possibly, but probably not in the last few decades. where weddings typically take place? where weddings will take place in the future? Possibly, but probably not in the next few decades.

Relevant what the man's usual area of responsibility is? Yes. [/quote]

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:26 pm
by Doriana
Had the two people planned to get married that day? in that location?

Is the location usually inaccessible to the general public?

Chernobyl relevant? Other ghost towns?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:38 pm
by markobr
Had the two people planned to get married that day? Yes. in that location? Yes.

Is the location usually inaccessible to the general public? No.

Chernobyl relevant? Other ghost towns? No to both.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:22 pm
by Balin
Is the civil servant one of the people getting married?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:29 pm
by markobr
Is the civil servant one of the people getting married? Good idea, but no.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:58 pm
by Balin
Gender of the people getting married relevant?
Is the wedding being performed virtually?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:02 pm
by markobr
Gender of the people getting married relevant? Not really, in that respect it is a traditional marriage between a woman and a man.
Is the wedding being performed virtually? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:52 am
by Doriana
Are the people getting married indoors? outdoors? Are they getting married at a location that usually falls within the civil servant's area of responsibility?

Does the civil servant usually deal with infrastructure? traffic? building(s)? education? taxes? money? citizenship? vehicles? resident registration? law? law enforcement?

Prison relevant? Is he a prison guard?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:57 am
by markobr
Are the people getting married indoors? Probably this. outdoors? But possibly this. Are they getting married at a location that usually falls within the civil servant's area of responsibility? Yes.

Does the civil servant usually deal with infrastructure? Somewhat. traffic? A little bit. building(s)? A little bit. education? taxes? money? Not much, but possibly sometimes in a way that is unusual for civil servants. citizenship? vehicles? A little bit. resident registration? Not usually, but this is something this particular civil servant might do. law? Only in a way most civil servants do. law enforcement? A little bit.

Prison relevant? No. Is he a prison guard? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:51 pm
by GalFisk
Is he filling out this form because this location falls within his area of responsibility? Are they getting married in an unusual location? Is he filling out this form because the guy/gal who usually handles this job is the one getting married?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:39 pm
by markobr
Is he filling out this form because this location falls within his area of responsibility? Because a certain location falls within his area of responsibility. The place where the marriage ceremony takes place also does, but this is not the reason for him filling out the form. Are they getting married in an unusual location? Yope. It is unusual that a marriage takes place at that location. Is he filling out this form because the guy/gal who usually handles this job is the one getting married? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:46 pm
by GalFisk
Unusual location for a marriage: a workplace? A vehicle? A hard to reach place? Such as a mountain summit? The ISS? A mine shaft?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:01 pm
by markobr
Unusual location for a marriage: a workplace? Assume the civil servant's office, exact location not important. A vehicle? No. A hard to reach place? Maybe somewhat. Surely not a problem for those involved. Such as a mountain summit? The ISS? A mine shaft? So no to rest.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:45 pm
by Balin
Is the form common for other civil servants? But not those in this person's exact position? Perhaps a building permit?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:36 pm
by markobr
Is the form common for other civil servants? Yes. But not those in this person's exact position? Yes. Perhaps a building permit? See above: It is the form for an entry into a marriage register.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:17 pm
by Doriana
Is the place where the marriage ceremony take place a monument? a landmark? a place of historical importance?

Does it have a person limit?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:22 pm
by markobr
Is the place where the marriage ceremony take place a monument? a landmark? a place of historical importance? No to all (or at least irrelevant). HINT: Another location or the more general location is much more relevant.

Does it have a person limit? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:11 pm
by Doriana
Relevant which country this takes place in?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:07 pm
by markobr
Relevant which country this takes place in? Somewhat. It's Germany, but something similar might happen in other country (with differences in details you don't need to find out). On the orherhand, there are several countries where this couldn't happen.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:13 am
by JenBurdoo
Anything to do with Royal or other celebrity marriages? I was thinking this was leaning towards weddings at Westminster which happen about once a generation; anything like that?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:53 pm
by markobr
Anything to do with Royal or other celebrity marriages? No. I was thinking this was leaning towards weddings at Westminster which happen about once a generation; anything like that? A wedding about once a generation yes, but with a different background.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:53 pm
by JenBurdoo
A specific place? One normally inaccessible? Are only certain classes of people allowed there? A holy site to a small group of people?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:36 pm
by Doriana
Natural phenomena relevant? E.g. people getting married during a solar eclipse? some other phenomenon that only occurs ~once a generation?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:31 pm
by markobr
A specific place? Yes, but only the general kind of place is relevant. One normally inaccessible? Not inaccessible, but... Are only certain classes of people allowed there? No. A holy site to a small group of people? No.

Natural phenomena relevant? No. E.g. people getting married during a solar eclipse? some other phenomenon that only occurs ~once a generation? Nothing of this kind.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:37 pm
by Doriana
Is the place related to religion? sports? entertainment? education? nature? culture? politics?

Could any couple get married there if they wanted to?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:05 am
by markobr
Is the place related to religion? sports? The more general place: Maybe a bit/part of it. For the other places: No. entertainment? education? nature? The more general place: Yesish. The other places: Noish to Yope. culture? politics? No to rest.

Could any couple get married there if they wanted to? Probably not.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:44 pm
by Balin
Is there then something unique or particular about the couple who are to marry? Is the age of the couple relevant? Their standing in the country? Their ethnicity? Their names?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:39 pm
by markobr
Is there then something unique or particular about the couple who are to marry? Yes. Is the age of the couple relevant? Their standing in the country? Their ethnicity? Their names? But not these.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:21 pm
by Hobbsicle
Is military involved? War? Are the occupations of the couple relevant? Is anyone undercover? Would the civil servant be considered in a high office?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:32 pm
by markobr
Is military involved? No. War? No. Are the occupations of the couple relevant? Somewhat. Is anyone undercover? No. Would the civil servant be considered in a high office? Not particularily.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:31 pm
by Doriana
National parks relevant?

Is either part of the couple well-known?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:26 pm
by klondike mary
Does the site of the marriage move (e.g. a means of transportation) even though it may be stationary during the ceremony itself?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:27 pm
by markobr
National parks relevant? No, but OTRT.

Is either part of the couple well-known? No.

Does the site of the marriage move (e.g. a means of transportation) even though it may be stationary during the ceremony itself? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:16 pm
by GalFisk
Not national parks: other parks? Nature preserves? Remote locations? Tourist attractions?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:33 pm
by markobr
Not national parks: other parks? No. Nature preserves? No. Remote locations? This. Tourist attractions? Yope.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:40 pm
by Doriana
Islands relevant?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:11 pm
by markobr
Islands relevant? No.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:10 am
by Hobbsicle
Are they residents of a relevant place? Or getting married there? Somewhere with very few people in it? Maybe Antarctica? North pole? A mountain? The ocean?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:18 pm
by markobr
Are they residents of a relevant place? Yes. Or getting married there? This, too. Somewhere with very few people in it? Yesish or Yope. Maybe Antarctica? North pole? A mountain? The area is somewhat mountainous which is not very relevant. The ocean? No to rest, as already has been found out, it's in Germany.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:52 pm
by Doriana
Unincorporated areas relevant? Do they live in one?

Re: [markobr] Form follows function

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:27 pm
by markobr
Unincorporated areas relevant? Yes. Do they live in one? Yes.

========= SPOILER ==========

Nearly all of Germany is part of a municipality, but there are a few areas that aren't. These are usually forests, high mountains, small islands and the like, and in almost every case these areas are uninhabited. But there are a few exceptions, and one of them is the Reinhardswald area. It has exactly two inhabitants - they run a restaurant near a lookout tower that attracts many walkers. Now the law says that in the Reinhardswald forest, the forestry office is responsible for everything which is normally done by the municipalities. So when the two inhabitants decided to marry it was a forestry officer who married them and filled out the appropriate forms.

Re: [markobr] Form follows function [INCORPORATED]

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:42 pm
by Doriana
Good one! I actually read about Reinhardswald (which is not too far from where I live, but I hadn't heard of it before) a couple of weeks ago, going down a non LTPF related Wikipedia rabbit hole. When I went through the previous questions and answers to this puzzle, everything fell into place.