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[IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:30 pm

Cora goes on a trip that she greatly enjoys, and she is always happy to tell people about it for years afterward. However, on a few occasions she lies and says that she never took the trip. Why?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby WiZ » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:41 pm

Cora = HAF?

Trip as in holiday? Drug trip? Does she go on tis trip for business? Pleasure? A little of both? Does she tell family? Friends? Coworkers? Anyone who will listen? When she denies that she took the trip, is she doing so conversationally? In writing? On surveys or official forms? Is there anything serious at stake when she denies it?

In deciding to go on the trip, did she do anything sneaky, illegal or immoral (perhaps taking an easy way out and avoiding responsibilities or taking part in some kind of event)? Does she lie about the trip to protect anyone? Herself? Others? Is she trying to contrive some alibi or establish a plausible timeline in the eyes of the people she lies to (for which the admission that she went on the trip would incriminate her)?

Does she simply deny that she took the trip, or does she assert that she was relevantly somewhere else at the time (or put money/sponsorship grants etc. to a different cause?) and thus create a relevant particular fiction?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:19 am

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Cora = HAF? Yes.

Trip as in holiday? No.Drug trip? No. Does she go on tis trip for business? For SVV, yes. Pleasure? Almost certainly. A little of both?
Does she tell family? Friends? Coworkers? Anyone who will listen? Assume yes to all. When she denies that she took the trip, is she doing so conversationally? No. In writing? Yesish. On surveys or official forms? Surveys and forms yes! Official possibly, irr. Is there anything serious at stake when she denies it? No.

In deciding to go on the trip, did she do anything sneaky, illegal or immoral (perhaps taking an easy way out and avoiding responsibilities or taking part in some kind of event)? No. Does she lie about the trip to protect anyone? No. Herself? Others? Is she trying to contrive some alibi or establish a plausible timeline in the eyes of the people she lies to (for which the admission that she went on the trip would incriminate her)? No.

Does she simply deny that she took the trip, or does she assert that she was relevantly somewhere else at the time (or put money/sponsorship grants etc. to a different cause?) and thus create a relevant particular fiction? Just denies the trip.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby Doriana » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:28 am

Would being honest about the trip preclude her from doing something? Donating blood relevant?

Relevant which country Cora lives in? Was the same within the same country? Abroad? To a different continent? Space travel relevant at all?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:00 pm

Is it COVID related?

Had she wrote/admitted to have taken part to the trip in such few occasions: she would have been in trouble? In legal troubles? Someone else would have been? taxes relevant? Duty? Money for the trip? Vote for national elections?

Just denies the trip. --> does she deny only that particular trip or all the trips she has done?

When she denied: was she asked in an airport? If so, was she asked before leaving? If so, before leaving to that place? Or maybe once she landed to that place? On the trip back? Years after she made the trip(s)? Or maybe, was she asked: in a travel agency? Is someone else asked to fill the forms/surveys that she was filling when she denied the trip? Was the question she answered: "Have you ever travelled?"? "Have you ever been in place X?"? "Have you ever travelled by plane?"?

Does she gain a relevant benefit in denying the trip? Monetary advantage? An alibi?
Is she a military in service? Is the place where she go very far from where she works/live? Relevant?

Does she go regularly on the trip? Every year/week/month? If so...
"However, on a few occasions she lies and says that she never took the trip." --> does it mean that had she gone 5 times she would have said that she never went at all or that the last time from when she is asked she did not go (so the 5th time only in the example)?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:49 pm

Doriana

Would being honest about the trip preclude her from doing something? Yes.
Donating blood relevant? No, but I thought about that immediately after posting the puzzle.

Relevant which country Cora lives in? No. Was the same within the same country? Abroad? To a different continent? No to all. Space travel relevant at all? Why, yes!


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Is it COVID related? No.

Had she wrote/admitted to have taken part to the trip in such few occasions: she would have been in trouble? In legal troubles? Someone else would have been? Unlikely, but it might be troublesome.
taxes relevant? Duty? Money for the trip? Vote for national elections? No to all.

Just denies the trip. --> does she deny only that particular trip or all the trips she has done? Just the one.

When she denied: was she asked in an airport? No. If so, was she asked before leaving? If so, before leaving to that place? Or maybe once she landed to that place? On the trip back? Years after she made the trip(s)? Months or years after.
Or maybe, was she asked: in a travel agency? No.
Is someone else asked to fill the forms/surveys that she was filling when she denied the trip? Other people would likely answer the same question, yes. Was the question she answered: "Have you ever travelled?"? "Have you ever been in place X?"? Closest to this, but not exactly. "Have you ever travelled by plane?"?

Does she gain a relevant benefit in denying the trip? Yope, more like avoids a consequence. Monetary advantage? An alibi?
Is she a military in service? Not relevantly. Is the place where she go very far from where she works/live? Yes. Relevant? Yes!

Does she go regularly on the trip? No. Every year/week/month? If so...
"However, on a few occasions she lies and says that she never took the trip." --> does it mean that had she gone 5 times she would have said that she never went at all or that the last time from when she is asked she did not go (so the 5th time only in the example)? She's gone once and indicates that she has never gone.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby GalFisk » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:09 am

Did she go to space? Does she want to go to space?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby Earnest » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:25 pm

If she went on space....did she go on the moon? Did she want to go there again? Relevant names of the moon parts? Did she lie voluntarily? (e.g. "Have you ever been in Southern Sea?" Another sea has a similar name on Earth and she says no to the question since she meant that sea) Did she lie in order to: avoid to train other people who have to travel the space? Avoid to reveal that she had experience with 0 gravity? avoid to emerge among many people? be selected to go back to the space? avoid some health controls?
Was she pregnant? Is some condition of her relevant when answering the question?

Do many people have to answer to the same question at the same time that she does? If so, is the question about places on Earth? On space? Generic places? Is the question made to Cora about a specific place? A specific place on Earth? Or a generic far place? Is something among the following relevant: exceed a certain speed? exceed a certain altitude? being interviewed? being in an amusement park? nausea?
Does she answer the question online? in a relevant place? In the space?

did she want to protect her identity? Stay anonymous? Confound people? Was she asked to lie?
WAG --> she created an online avatar. When she was asked specific questions about the character she lied.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:06 pm

GalFisk

Did she go to space? Yes. Does she want to go to space? Irr.


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If she went on space....did she go on the moon? Yes! Did she want to go there again? Relevant names of the moon parts? Did she lie voluntarily? (e.g. "Have you ever been in Southern Sea?" Another sea has a similar name on Earth and she says no to the question since she meant that sea) No/irr to rest.
Did she lie in order to: avoid to train other people who have to travel the space? Avoid to reveal that she had experience with 0 gravity? avoid to emerge among many people? be selected to go back to the space? avoid some health controls? Was she pregnant? Is some condition of her relevant when answering the question? No to these.

Do many people have to answer to the same question at the same time that she does? Many other people will, timing irr. If so, is the question about places on Earth? Yes. On space? Just the moon. Generic places? Yesish. Is the question made to Cora about a specific place? A specific place on Earth? Or a generic far place? Multiple places. Is something among the following relevant: exceed a certain speed? exceed a certain altitude? being interviewed? being in an amusement park? nausea? No.
Does she answer the question online? Yes. in a relevant place? No. In the space?

did she want to protect her identity? Stay anonymous? Confound people? Kind of the opposite. Was she asked to lie?
WAG --> she created an online avatar. When she was asked specific questions about the character she lied. No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:02 pm

did she want to protect her identity? Stay anonymous? Confound people? Kind of the opposite. --> so she wanted to be recognized? If so by answering that she never visited the place she is asked? Is she asked if she visited the moon?Did other people answer "yes" (i.e. that they have been to that place)? Did the question specify also a time period (e.g. have you ever been in place A iii the last year?)
Is the question about multiple places? E.g. have you ever been in place A and/or place B? Is t a question such that only people having been on the moon could answer no? If so, because they saw something that people who did not visit the moon did not see?

In denying to have visited the place that she is asked, does she declare implicitly that she visited the moon?
Is she required to answer with a tick? A yes/no? A free answer?
Is it an answer to the formulation of a problem (e.g. "Have you ever been in two very far places in less than n minutes?") Something like: "Have you ever seen the Earth?" "Have you ever seen a colored planet on the horizon? "

Is the question about an image displayed on thee screen? e.g. the image of the moon? The image of Earth?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:33 pm

Earnest

did she want to protect her identity? Stay anonymous? Confound people? Kind of the opposite. --> so she wanted to be recognized? No, the opposite of being confounding. If so by answering that she never visited the place she is asked? Yes. Is she asked if she visited the moon? Not that exact phrasing, but essentially yes. Did other people answer "yes" (i.e. that they have been to that place)? No. Did the question specify also a time period (e.g. have you ever been in place A iii the last year?) Quite possibly.
Is the question about multiple places? Yes. E.g. have you ever been in place A and/or place B? Along these lines. Is t a question such that only people having been on the moon could answer no? No. If so, because they saw something that people who did not visit the moon did not see?

In denying to have visited the place that she is asked, does she declare implicitly that she visited the moon? No.
Is she required to answer with a tick? This, good q. A yes/no? A free answer?
Is it an answer to the formulation of a problem (e.g. "Have you ever been in two very far places in less than n minutes?") Something like: "Have you ever seen the Earth?" "Have you ever seen a colored planet on the horizon? " None of these.

Is the question about an image displayed on thee screen? No. e.g. the image of the moon? The image of Earth?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby GalFisk » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:19 pm

Are certain places on the Earth relevant? Is being able to see all of Earth at once relevant? Is the myth that the Great Wall of China can be seen from the moon relevant? Do they ask if she's seen a specific place, and she has seen it from space, but not actually visited it?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:50 pm

GalFisk

Are certain places on the Earth relevant? No. Is being able to see all of Earth at once relevant? Is the myth that the Great Wall of China can be seen from the moon relevant? Do they ask if she's seen a specific place, and she has seen it from space, but not actually visited it? No to these, but good idea.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:58 pm

MINI RECAP/HINT:

Figuring out what she is asked and/or the context should get you there.
She is asked about multiple places. She answers with ticks (checkmarks). Many other people will answer the same question. Forms and/or surveys are involved.
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby Doriana » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:26 pm

Is she asked what's the furthest she has ever been from her hometown?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby wunderland » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:34 am

Is she filling in a form that has a question about multiple places, with a checkbox for each place? (such as, "Which of the following places have you visited?")
Is there exactly one relevant question on the form?
If so, is she expected to check exactly one box for that question? or to check all boxes that apply?
If the latter, does she lie by checking a particular box? or by not checking a particular box?
If either of the above, does the particular box relate to: the Moon, as a whole? a specific location on the Moon? a location on Earth?
Is it a registration form for a website? Is the question meant as an anti-spam measure? If she answered correctly, would the form be rejected automatically by a computer?
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Re: [IrishElk] A Quick Getaway

Postby Earnest » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:10 am

Did she answer with a tick between two boxes (meaning she stayed in neither and both places at the same time)?
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