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[Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:34 pm

A doctor prescribed drugs to a patient and thus saved the patient's life, even though the patient's condition was not life-threatening. How?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Doriana » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:55 pm

Doctor = H/A/F? H/A/M?
Patient = H/A/F? H/A/M? a child? an animal?

Relevant what the patient's condition was?

WAG: The patient went to the pharmacy to get the prescription filled. If they had not taken the detour, they would have died in a car crash.
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Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:24 pm

Was this a typical prescription for the patient's condition? Did the doctor suspect the possibility of death for the patient and prescribe accordingly?

Did the patient take the drugs? Did this have a relevant effect? If so, an unexpected one?

Did the patient give the drugs to anyone else? Was anything event relevantly done with the drugs? Did the mere act of the prescription cause the patient's life to be saved?

Was the patient spared death by illness? Injury? Violence? Would a medical issue have been at fault for their death?

Is anyone else involved?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:37 pm

Doctor = H/A/F? H/A/M? Either
Patient = H/A/F? H/A/M? Either a child? an animal? Neither

Relevant what the patient's condition was? No

WAG: The patient went to the pharmacy to get the prescription filled. If they had not taken the detour, they would have died in a car crash. No

Was this a typical prescription for the patient's condition? Yes Did the doctor suspect the possibility of death for the patient and prescribe accordingly? No

Did the patient take the drugs? Yes Did this have a relevant effect? Yes If so, an unexpected one? Yes

Did the patient give the drugs to anyone else? No Was anything event relevantly done with the drugs? Yes Did the mere act of the prescription cause the patient's life to be saved? No

Was the patient spared death by illness? Injury? Violence? This Would a medical issue have been at fault for their death? No

Is anyone else involved? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:43 pm

Is there only one other person involved in the situation besides the doctor and patient? More than one?

Did the patient ever take the medication? Was the medication taken from him/her? By force? By deception?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby raevenclaw » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:42 am

relevant what kind of drugs they were? the effect they were supposed to have/a side effect of the drugs?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:35 pm

Is there only one other person involved in the situation besides the doctor and patient? Primarily More than one?

Did the patient ever take the medication? Yes Was the medication taken from him/her? No By force? By deception?

relevant what kind of drugs they were? No the effect they were supposed to have? No a side effect of the drugs? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby trebor » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:45 pm

Would the patient have been murdered? Died in a car crash? Had a massive fall? Violently injured themself?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:26 pm

Did the side effect help the patient avoid the violent situation? Survive violence that would have been lethal otherwise?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:42 pm

Would the patient have been murdered? This Died in a car crash? Had a massive fall? Violently injured themself?

Did the side effect help the patient avoid the violent situation? This, indirectly Survive violence that would have been lethal otherwise?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:56 pm

Is the other relevant person the one that would've killed the patient? Is their motive for killing relevant? The method they'd have used? Did anyone else end up dying in the situation that would've killed the patient?

Did the side effect cause the patient to not go to the place where they would've been killed? Was the killer caught before anything could happen? Did they intentionally decide to spare the patient?
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:08 pm

Is the other relevant person the one that would've killed the patient? Yes Is their motive for killing relevant? No The method they'd have used? It may help set the scene Did anyone else end up dying in the situation that would've killed the patient? Yes

Did the side effect cause the patient to not go to the place where they would've been killed? Indirectly Was the killer caught before anything could happen? No Did they intentionally decide to spare the patient? No
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:25 pm

Is a mass murder/killing spree relevant? A terrorist attack?

Are the exact side effects relevant? Did they cause pain? Drowsiness? Nausea? Stomach issues? An allergic reaction? Did the side effects make the patient stay home? Go somewhere they weren't planning to go?
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:02 pm

Is a mass murder/killing spree relevant? Yes A terrorist attack? No

Are the exact side effects relevant? Yes Did they cause pain? Drowsiness? This Nausea? Stomach issues? An allergic reaction? Did the side effects make the patient stay home? Indirectly Go somewhere they weren't planning to go? But this as well
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:08 am

Was the patiently going to attend some kind of event? A concert? Sports game? Party?

Relevant how the patient was planning to go there? Were they driving themselves? Using public transport? Walking?

So the patient ended up staying home after going to the wrong place? Did they mistakenly go somewhere else and think that whatever thing they wanted to attend had been canceled?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:44 pm

Did the wroswiness cause the patient to: oversleep? Be late? Choose a different mode of transport? Choose not to go? Was any other person involved in the patient's response to the drowsiness? Such as a friend or spouse telling him not to drive in his condition? Did the medication relevantly interact with another substance? Is drowsiness a common side effect? Relevant?
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:50 pm

Was the patiently going to attend some kind of event? A concert? Sports game? Party? None of these

Relevant how the patient was planning to go there? No Were they driving themselves? Using public transport? Walking?

So the patient ended up staying home after going to the wrong place? Staying home, Yes; going to the wrong place, No Did they mistakenly go somewhere else and think that whatever thing they wanted to attend had been canceled? No

Did the drowsiness cause the patient to: oversleep? Be late? Choose a different mode of transport? Choose not to go? This, but be careful of wording Was any other person involved in the patient's response to the drowsiness? Yes Such as a friend or spouse telling him not to drive in his condition? No, but OTRT Did the medication relevantly interact with another substance? No Is drowsiness a common side effect? Relevant? Irrel
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Postby raevenclaw » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:21 am

did he go somewhere, but left earlier than planned due to the drowsiness? or make him completely unable to go?
is the exact relationship of the other person relevant? if so: friend? sibling? child? parent? coworker? had the other person not been involved, would the patient still have gone to the event? been killed?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:44 pm

did he go somewhere, but left earlier than planned due to the drowsiness? No or make him completely unable to go? The drowsiness made him, indirectly, unable to go somewhere. He did go somewhere else at some point.
is the exact relationship of the other person relevant? Yes if so: friend? sibling? child? parent? coworker? None of these had the other person not been involved, would the patient still have gone to the event? No been killed? No
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:03 pm

HINT:
-The patient visited the doctor twice.
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Doriana » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:50 pm

The patient seems to be "he" now, so can we use "she" for the doctor to tell the two apart?

Did he go back to the doctor because he was drowsy? Did he call the doctor because he was drowsy, and she told him to come back?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:17 pm

The patient seems to be "he" now, so can we use "she" for the doctor to tell the two apart? Yes, certainly.

Did he go back to the doctor because he was drowsy? Yes, but that's not all of it Did he call the doctor because he was drowsy, and she told him to come back? Yes, but that's not quite the full sequence of events
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Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:14 pm

So is the place he didn’t go (where the murder happened) relevant? Is it his workplace? Did the doctor advise him against going? Advise him not to drive? Does he operate heavy machinery? Or otherwise do something where drowsiness would be a significant liability?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:23 pm

Did something else relevant happen before he called the doctor? Afterwards? Did he attempt to go to the place of the murder at some point? Did he stay home after going back to the doctor?
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:21 pm

So is the place he didn’t go (where the murder happened) relevant? Only that... Is it his workplace? ...it's this Did the doctor advise him against going? Yes, svv of "advise" Advise him not to drive? No Does he operate heavy machinery? No Or otherwise do something where drowsiness would be a significant liability? No

Did something else relevant happen before he called the doctor? Afterwards? This Did he attempt to go to the place of the murder at some point? No Did he stay home after going back to the doctor? Yes
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Postby gregoryuconn » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:22 am

Did he see the doctor during work hours? Was he at the doctor’s office (or in transit to or from) when the murder occurred?

Did the doctor tell him not to work at all? To work from home? To take time off from work to come see her? Is his job relevant? Was it simply more convenient for him to work from home the rest of the day or take it off entirely after seeing the doctor (perhaps her office was far away or close to his home but not where he worked)?
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:17 am

Did the doctor apply another treatment after he went back that made him unable to go to work? Did she discover something new about the patient's condition while he was there?
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Postby Balin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:44 am

Did he see the doctor during work hours? No Was he at the doctor’s office (or in transit to or from) when the murder occurred? No

Did the doctor tell him not to work at all? Yes To work from home? No To take time off from work to come see her? No Is his job relevant? It may provide context, but No, not really Was it simply more convenient for him to work from home the rest of the day or take it off entirely after seeing the doctor (perhaps her office was far away or close to his home but not where he worked)? Convenience is not the reason, No

Did the doctor apply another treatment after he went back that made him unable to go to work? No Did she discover something new about the patient's condition while he was there? No
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Postby Doriana » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:47 pm

Is the killing spree a school shooting? If so, is the patient a teacher? and the murderer a student?

Does the patient relevantly call in sick at any point? If so, before the first doctor's visit? between the two visits? after the second visit?
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Postby trebor » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:59 pm

Was it odd that the prescription caused drowsiness? Did the doctor want him to come back because something abnormal was happening? Was she worried about his ability to perform his job? About an underlying health issue that the prescription exposed? About him getting other people at his workplace sick?

When he called the doctor again was she aware of the murder spree already? Was it already going on? Was she involved in it somehow? (Perpetrated by a family member, etc.?) Was it being reported through the news?
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:51 pm

Is the killing spree a school shooting? Yes If so, is the patient a teacher? Yes and the murderer a student? Yes

Does the patient relevantly call in sick at any point? Yes If so, before the first doctor's visit? between the two visits? after the second visit? This

Was it odd that the prescription caused drowsiness? No Did the doctor want him to come back because something abnormal was happening? No Was she worried about his ability to perform his job? NoAbout an underlying health issue that the prescription exposed? No About him getting other people at his workplace sick? No
Going to clear an FA here - the patient called for a specific reason to set up the second visit. The worry was on his part, not the doctor's.


When he called the doctor again was she aware of the murder spree already? No Was it already going on? No Was she involved in it somehow? No (Perpetrated by a family member, etc.?) No Was it being reported through the news? No
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Postby Doriana » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:04 am

Relevant how much time passed between the first and the second visit? Did he go back to the doctor the same day? the day after the first visit? later than that?

Did the patient call the doctor only because he was drowsy? Or because his drowsiness led to something else?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:07 am

Relevant how much time passed between the first and the second visit? No, assume a few days Did he go back to the doctor the same day? the day after the first visit? later than that? See above. It probably wasn't long

Did the patient call the doctor only because he was drowsy? Yes, but... Or because his drowsiness led to something else? No, but...
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Doriana » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:08 pm

Did he realize he was drowsy? Or did he e.g. call the doctor because he wanted to get out of work, but then the doctor noticed that he sounded drowsy?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:47 am

Did he realize he was drowsy? Yes Or did he e.g. call the doctor because he wanted to get out of work, but then the doctor noticed that he sounded drowsy? No

You're almost there. I'll add one more piece of info: the reason he didn't go into work wasn't "drowsiness."
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Postby Doriana » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:34 am

Did the drowsiness cause him to have some kind of accident? E.g. walking into a door? And the resulting injury was the reason he didn't go into work?
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:31 pm

Did the drowsiness cause him to have some kind of accident? E.g. walking into a door? And the resulting injury was the reason he didn't go into work? No to these
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Postby trebor » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:11 am

Was he not merely drowsy, but completely asleep? Did he sleep through his alarms?
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Postby Balin » Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:50 am

Was he not merely drowsy, but completely asleep? No Did he sleep through his alarms? No
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Postby AlbatrossLover » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:07 pm

Did either he or the doctor have a misconception about his condition? Think the drowsiness was a symptom of something else? Did he decide not to go to work after talking with the doctor the second time? On his way back home?
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:44 pm

Did either he or the doctor have a misconception about his condition? No Think the drowsiness was a symptom of something else? Yes Did he decide not to go to work after talking with the doctor the second time? On his way back home? Sometime during the second visit to the doctor
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Re: [Balin] Rx marks the spot

Postby AlbatrossLover » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:44 pm

So the drowsiness indicated something else was wrong with the patient? Something that he was already aware of? Did the doctor think that him going to the school might trigger more symptoms related to this condition?
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Postby Balin » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:59 pm

So the drowsiness indicated something else was wrong with the patient? Not "indicated," but made them suspect Something that he was already aware of? No Did the doctor think that him going to the school might trigger more symptoms related to this condition? No
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