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[Yerushalmi] CH3COOHA4

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:34 pm

Why did I once take an 8.5x11 plastic sleeve, designed for holding and protecting a standard-sized sheet of paper, and fill it with vinegar instead?
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Postby Doriana » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:36 pm

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Postby Doriana » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:48 pm

Type of vinegar relevant? If so, apple cider vinegar? balsamic vinegar? white wine vinegar? red wine vinegar? rice vinegar? other type of vinegar?

Did you put anything else in the plastic sleeve? If so, before putting in the vinegar? afterwards?

Did you do this at home? at work?

Did you take the vinegar-filled sleeve anywhere?

Did you eventually remove the vinegar from the sleeve? If so, after less than a minute? less than an hour? less than a day? longer than that?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:13 am

Doriana wrote:Type of vinegar relevant? No. If so, apple cider vinegar? balsamic vinegar? white wine vinegar? red wine vinegar? rice vinegar? other type of vinegar?

Did you put anything else in the plastic sleeve? Yes. If so, before putting in the vinegar? Yes. afterwards? Yes.

Did you do this at home? Yes. at work? No.

Did you take the vinegar-filled sleeve anywhere? No.

Did you eventually remove the vinegar from the sleeve? Yes. If so, after less than a minute? less than an hour? less than a day? longer than that?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:43 am

are pictures relevant? Film? Is any chemical process relevant?
Did you want to cancel something? To wet something? Would the puzzle work with water rather than vinegar?
Did you need a specific quantity of vinegar? Did you feel al the sleeve (in contrast of only a part of it and then spreading it on the rest of the sleeve)
Did you artificially "close" the opened part of the sleeve?
Did you repeat the process for several sleeves? Was it part of a costume? E.g. an hospitalised patient? Was it part of a joke? Relevant that on the sleeve the vinegar was visible? Would it work with any other "bag" having the same volume of the sleeve?
Was there something inside the sleeve before you put vinegar in inside? Did you fill the sleeve from the "usual" opening of the sleeve? Did you break it? Did you expect the vinegar to make the sleeve more transparent? Was it an experiment? Relevant that vinegar can corrode?

Did you eventually remove the vinegar from the sleeve? Yes. --> did you put the something in the sleeve after having removed the vinegar?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:54 am

Earnest wrote:are pictures relevant? No. Film? No. Is any chemical process relevant? Yes.
Did you want to cancel something? Depends on what you mean by cancel. To wet something? A hesitant yes. Would the puzzle work with water rather than vinegar? No.
Did you need a specific quantity of vinegar? No. Did you feel al the sleeve (in contrast of only a part of it and then spreading it on the rest of the sleeve) Yes.
Did you artificially "close" the opened part of the sleeve? No.
Did you repeat the process for several sleeves? Was it part of a costume? E.g. an hospitalised patient? Was it part of a joke? Relevant that on the sleeve the vinegar was visible? Would it work with any other "bag" having the same volume of the sleeve? No to all.
Was there something inside the sleeve before you put vinegar in inside? No. Did you fill the sleeve from the "usual" opening of the sleeve? Yes. Did you break it? No. Did you expect the vinegar to make the sleeve more transparent? No. Was it an experiment? No. Relevant that vinegar can corrode? No.

Did you eventually remove the vinegar from the sleeve? Yes. --> did you put the something in the sleeve after having removed the vinegar? No.
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Postby Balin » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:07 pm

When you emptied the sleeve, was the vinegar still in its same chemical form? Did a reaction take place inside the sleeve?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:53 pm

Was the sleeve ideal for the task? Or was it used because you didn't have something better? Would another weak acid have worked? Another smelly/evaporating acid? A strong acid? A base? Did you use it to neutralize a base? Get rid of a smell? Change the color of something? Edit: were you using it to remove limescale from something? Were you bagging a non-removable shower head, faucet or other water fixture in vinegar in order to descale it?
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Postby hoodie » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:44 am

Was it used to remove corrosion, such as on a shower head or sink faucet?
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Postby Earnest » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:40 am

Depends on what you mean by cancel --> I mean delete something?

Did you want to unravel something? Reveal something? Take out a natural substance? Attract something? Is smell relevant? Did you want to clean something? Relevant the pH of vinegar?

did I once take --> relevant what was in inside before? Where you took the sleeve from? Was it part of a collection of sleeves? Was there an A4 sheet in inside? An ancient paper? Something ancient? Preservation of food relevant?

Did you put anything else in the plastic sleeve? Yes. If so, before putting in the vinegar? Yes. afterwards? Yes. --> was it the same thing both before and after? Is it bigger than an A4 paper? Smaller? Is it thiner? Is it usually put within sleeves? Is it a plant? An animal? an hand? a finger? a jewel? a metal? iron? a sponge?

Did you eventually remove the vinegar from the sleeve? Yes. --> by emptying the sleeve manually? Or maybe it evaporated (though I am not sure how much heat is due for that).
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:19 pm

Balin wrote:When you emptied the sleeve, was the vinegar still in its same chemical form? Yes. Did a reaction take place inside the sleeve? Yes.


GalFisk wrote:Was the sleeve ideal for the task? Yes. Or was it used because you didn't have something better? I can't entirely rule out the potential existence of something better. Would another weak acid have worked? Yes. Another smelly/evaporating acid? Yes. A strong acid? Yes. A base? No. Did you use it to neutralize a base? Don't know. Get rid of a smell? No. Change the color of something? Hesitant yes. Edit: were you using it to remove limescale from something? No. Were you bagging a non-removable shower head, faucet or other water fixture in vinegar in order to descale it? No.


hoodie wrote:Was it used to remove corrosion, such as on a shower head or sink faucet? Yes.


Earnest wrote:Depends on what you mean by cancel --> I mean delete something? I guess so?

Did you want to unravel something? No. Reveal something? No. Take out a natural substance? Yes. Attract something? No. Is smell relevant? No. Did you want to clean something? Yes. Relevant the pH of vinegar? Yes.

did I once take --> relevant what was in inside before? Yes. Where you took the sleeve from? No. Was it part of a collection of sleeves? Yes. Was there an A4 sheet in inside? No. An ancient paper? No. Something ancient? No. Preservation of food relevant? No.

Did you put anything else in the plastic sleeve? Yes. If so, before putting in the vinegar? Yes. afterwards? Yes. --> was it the same thing both before and after? Yes. Is it bigger than an A4 paper? No. Smaller? Yes. Is it thiner? No. Is it usually put within sleeves? No. Is it a plant? No. An animal? No. an hand? No. a finger? No. a jewel? No. a metal? Yes. iron? No. a sponge? No.

Did you eventually remove the vinegar from the sleeve? Yes. --> by emptying the sleeve manually? Yes. Or maybe it evaporated (though I am not sure how much heat is due for that). No.
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Postby trebor » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:20 pm

Was it just one object you put into the sleeve? Multiple items, but the same ones each time? Was it a coin/coins? An engraving? A metal picture? Is it an object that one would commonly find in homes? Is it cutlery? Dinnerware?

Is this correct: you put the object in the sleeve, removed the object, put the vinegar in, and put the object back in?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:44 pm

trebor wrote:Was it just one object you put into the sleeve? Yes. Multiple items, but the same ones each time? No. Was it a coin/coins? No. An engraving? No. A metal picture? No. Is it an object that one would commonly find in homes? Yes. Is it cutlery? No. Dinnerware? No.

Is this correct: you put the object in the sleeve, removed the object, put the vinegar in, and put the object back in? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:46 pm

Did the vinegar remove rust? Tarnish? Odor? Oxidation? Patina? A metal? A base?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:08 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did the vinegar remove rust? Tarnish? Odor? Oxidation? Patina? A metal? A base?
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Postby trebor » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:12 pm

In your life, does this metal item usually live inside the bag? So that you had to remove it in order to get the vinegar in? Or in order to allow the vinegar to get to parts of the metal you needed it to get to?

If not, did putting the metal into the bag aid in the rust removal somehow? Was it a moment of forgetfulness?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:26 pm

trebor wrote:In your life, does this metal item usually live inside the bag? So that you had to remove it in order to get the vinegar in? Or in order to allow the vinegar to get to parts of the metal you needed it to get to?

If not, did putting the metal into the bag aid in the rust removal somehow? Was it a moment of forgetfulness?

No to all, though just barely so for the second question.
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Postby trebor » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:37 pm

Is the metal thing usually found in the bathroom? Bedroom? Living room? Garage? Home office? Is it a tool? Leisure item? Is it a pair of scissors? Is it part of a larger item? Does it have to do with technology?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:31 am

trebor wrote:Is the metal thing usually found in the bathroom? Bedroom? Living room? Garage? Home office? No to all. Is it a tool? Probably not in the way you mean. Leisure item? Is it a pair of scissors? Is it part of a larger item? Does it have to do with technology? No to all.
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Postby trebor » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:19 am

Is it found in the kitchen? Is it used in cooking? Is it square? Rectangular? Circular? Undefinable shape?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:07 pm

trebor wrote:Is it found in the kitchen? Yes. Is it used in cooking? Yes. Is it square? Mostly. Rectangular? All squares are rectangular by definition :) Circular? No. Undefinable shape? A bit.
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Postby wunderland » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:52 pm

Did you initially put the object in the bag to see if it would fit before possibly wasting vinegar?

Is it normally used in an oven? in a grill? on top of a cooker? Does it have a handle?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:42 pm

wunderland wrote:Did you initially put the object in the bag to see if it would fit before possibly wasting vinegar? Yes!

Is it normally used in an oven? No. in a grill? Not in one, no. on top of a cooker? Yes. Does it have a handle? Yes.
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Postby trebor » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:58 pm

A pan of some sort?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:48 pm

trebor wrote:A pan of some sort?

No.
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Postby Doriana » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:30 pm

Is it a spatula?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:07 pm

Doriana wrote:Is it a spatula?

No. But in order not to frustrate you all with having to guess one random item after another, I'll refer you back to these highly relevant questions:

Was the sleeve ideal for the task? Yes. Or was it used because you didn't have something better? I can't entirely rule out the potential existence of something better.
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Postby trebor » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:37 pm

Was the object another sleeve?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:20 am

(Sorry about the delayed response - the reply notification got sent to my spamfilter.)

trebor wrote:Was the object another sleeve?

No.
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Postby trebor » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:41 pm

Is it a grater? Does it have holes in it? Is it for food to cook on? To clean something after food has been cooked? Is it a cutting board? Is it for cutting things? Covering things? Protecting food? Checking temperature? Serving?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:02 pm

trebor wrote:Is it a grater? No. Does it have holes in it? Yes. Is it for food to cook on? Yes. To clean something after food has been cooked? No. Is it a cutting board? No. Is it for cutting things? No. Covering things? No. Protecting food? No. Checking temperature? No. Serving? No.
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Postby trebor » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:13 pm

Is it an element? A grill? Does it go on the stove? In the oven? In a microwave? On a BBQ? In/on another device? Over an open flame?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:08 pm

trebor wrote:Is it an element? No. A grill? Sort of. Does it go on the stove? Yes. In the oven? No. In a microwave? No. On a BBQ? Yes. In/on another device? Yes if "another" means "other than itself. No if "another" means "other than the ones already listed". Over an open flame? Yes.
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