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[Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:07 pm

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What is the story behind this bizarre photograph?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:43 pm

Are we seeing an accident? A fire? A lamp? Something wet? A fake fire which caught on real fire? A prop? Art?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:09 pm

GalFisk wrote:Are we seeing an accident? Yes. A fire? Yes. A lamp? No. Something wet? Yes. A fake fire which caught on real fire? No. A prop? No. Art? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby AlbatrossLover » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:02 am

Relevant what the art piece was supposed to represent before the accident? A living being? An animal? Something abstract? Is it a sculpture? Another type of 3D art? 2D art?

Are all the black parts of the picture burnt? Were they originally part of the same object as the orange-ish parts?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:05 am

AlbatrossLover wrote:Relevant what the art piece was supposed to represent before the accident? Yes. A living being? Yes. An animal? Yes. Something abstract? No. Is it a sculpture? Yes. Another type of 3D art? Yes. 2D art? No.

Are all the black parts of the picture burnt? Yes. Were they originally part of the same object as the orange-ish parts? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:15 am

Was there supposed to be any fire at all? Were the matches part of the art? Is the wetness the result of putting out the fire? Animal: one specific animal? A species? A character? Cartoon character? The entire animal? Part of it? Is a costume relevant? Is the shiny black disc plastic? Epoxy? Relevant?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:23 am

GalFisk wrote:Was there supposed to be any fire at all? Yes. Were the matches part of the art? No. Is the wetness the result of putting out the fire? Yes. Animal: one specific animal? No. A species? Yes, but I'm not 100% sure I understand this and the previous question correctly. A character? No. Cartoon character? No. The entire animal? Yes. Part of it? No. Is a costume relevant? No. Is the shiny black disc plastic? No. Epoxy? No. Relevant? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:01 am

Is the shiny black disc edible? Flammable? Liquid? formerly liquid? Was it black before the fire? Shiny? Were candles involved? Was the animal supposed to be illuminated by fire? If so, from within? Was the animal a mammal? Reptile? Fish? Mythical animal? Such as a dragon? Was the fire accidental? Caused by negligence? Wrong material choices? Is the burned material paper?

By one specific animal, I mean Harambe the ape for instance, as opposed to any gorilla. By a species, I mean one type of animal, as opposed to a man-bear-pig for instance.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:26 am

GalFisk wrote:Is the shiny black disc edible? No. Flammable? No. Liquid? Yes. formerly liquid? No-ish. Was it black before the fire? No. Shiny? Yes. Were candles involved? No. Was the animal supposed to be illuminated by fire? No. If so, from within? Was the animal a mammal? No. Reptile? No. Fish? No. Mythical animal? Yes. Such as a dragon? No. Was the fire accidental? No. Caused by negligence? Wrong material choices? Is the burned material paper? Yes.

By one specific animal, I mean Harambe the ape for instance, as opposed to any gorilla. By a species, I mean one type of animal, as opposed to a man-bear-pig for instance. Then I answered correctly - not one specific animal, but one specific species.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:24 pm

Is the black stuff sooty water? A drink? Is the creature from: legend? Works of fiction? Video games? Films? Was the animal ignited by a flame? Spark? Glowing object? Ember? Candle? Match? Relevant what the matches in the photo were for?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:56 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is the black stuff sooty water? No. A drink? No. Is the creature from: legend? Works of fiction? Video games? Films? Was the animal ignited by a flame? Spark? Glowing object? Ember? Candle? Match? Relevant what the matches in the photo were for? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:42 pm

Is the bird creature supposed to be a phoenix?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:50 pm

CoffeeBean wrote:Is the bird creature supposed to be a phoenix? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:05 am

Does the art represent a phoenix killed by dumping water on it?

Is the phoenix sitting in a pie plate or pot of some sort? (Is the circular edge foil?) Was it being cooked?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby trebor » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:17 pm

Is it simply meant to be a phoenix rising from the ashes?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:19 am

(Sorry about the delayed response - the reply notification got sent to my spamfilter.)

With the word "simply" in the question, the answer is no. Without it, the answer is yes. But there's more to the puzzle than that.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:37 am

I'm so sorry! Somehow I didn't notice these questions.

JenBurdoo wrote:Does the art represent a phoenix killed by dumping water on it? No.

Is the phoenix sitting in a pie plate or pot of some sort? Yes. (Is the circular edge foil? Yes.) Was it being cooked? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:15 am

Were the matches part of the art? Is the liquid there because it was used to douse the fire? Was a match deliberately ignited? Mistakenly ignited? Was any fire deliberately ignited?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:23 am

GalFisk wrote:Were the matches part of the art? No. Is the liquid there because it was used to douse the fire? Yes. Was a match deliberately ignited? Yes. Mistakenly ignited? No. Was any fire deliberately ignited? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:54 am

Was anything besides the art mistakenly ignited? Are all matches in the photo burnt? Was anything besides matches deliberately ignited? Smoking relevant? Candles? Fireworks?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:12 am

GalFisk wrote:Was anything besides the art mistakenly ignited? Yes. EDIT: Upon further reflection, the answer to this is actually No. Are all matches in the photo burnt? Yes. Was anything besides matches deliberately ignited? Yes. Smoking relevant? No. Candles? No. Fireworks? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:18 am

Thing deliberately ignited: firework? Fuse? Paper? Flash paper (magician's disappearing paper)? A lighter? A gas? Liquid? Was the deliberate fire intended to: heat? Illuminate? Create buoyancy? Cook?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:31 pm

GalFisk wrote:Thing deliberately ignited: firework? No. Fuse? No. Paper? Yes. Flash paper (magician's disappearing paper)? No. A lighter? No. A gas? No. Liquid? No. Was the deliberate fire intended to: heat? No. Illuminate? No. Create buoyancy? No. Cook? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:15 am

Was the deliberate fire intended to amuse? Amaze? Alarm? Destroy something? Dispose of? Make smoke? Evaporate something? Boil? Melt? Ignite something else?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:18 am

GalFisk wrote:Was the deliberate fire intended to amuse? Amaze? Alarm? Destroy something? Dispose of? Make smoke? Evaporate something? Boil? Melt? Ignite something else?
Destroy something.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:18 am

Destroy: this art? Other art? Other object? A building? Something living? Was it sabotage? Vandalism? Revenge? Edit: destruction as art?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:33 am

GalFisk wrote:Destroy: this art? Other art? Other object? A building? Something living? Was it sabotage? Vandalism? Revenge? Edit: destruction as art? Yes and no.


I feel like this line of questioning is trying to establish things that have already been established, however.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:38 pm

Was the person who lit it expecting a different result? Was the liquid in the pie pan intended to keep it from burning? To be burned? Was it the same person who both lit and put out the fire?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:01 pm

Hobbsicle wrote:Was the person who lit it expecting a different result? Yes. Was the liquid in the pie pan intended to keep it from burning? No. To be burned? No. Was it the same person who both lit and put out the fire? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Liquizt » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:49 pm

To recap:
A phoenix art piece was intended to be lit? by match? and burn in a particular fashion?
When lit, it burned in some fashion other than intended? and was put out? with water?

The external parts of the phoenix are constructed from bright orange paper? other bright orange material? and some other relevant material?
The internal parts of the phoenix are constructed from a different material?
The foil pan is part of the art work?
Strings? wires? are part of the artwork?

The artwork was commissioned? for the purpose of being lit?
The artwork was intended to be lit by the person(s) that constructed it?
When lit, the artwork was lit only once? in the correct place? in an incorrect place?
After being lit, some other part of the artwork caught fire? that wasn't meant to? that wasn't meant to at the time that it did? that wasn't meant to in the way that it did?
The fire burned bigger than expected? produced more smoke than expected? in a way that suggested the artwork was constructed from inappropriate materials for this use? in a way that presented a danger to the surroundings? people? just to the artwork itself?

The artwork was lit with the foil pan acting as a base? in the place it is in this photo? somewhere else?
The artwork was moved after it was lit?
The artwork is outside? relevant? was outside when it was lit? relevant?

No water was involved in the artwork itself? or was present in the immediate vicinity of the artwork in some form? other than when it was introduced to put out the fire? intentionally? with the agreement of all present that this was correct to do?
It is relevant from where the water was sourced? tap? hose? bucket? fish tank? pond? pool?

All relevant aspects of the photo have been identified?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:08 pm

Liquizt wrote:To recap:
A phoenix art piece was intended to be lit? Yes. by match? Yes. and burn in a particular fashion? Yes.
When lit, it burned in some fashion other than intended? Yes. and was put out? Yes. with water? Yes.

The external parts of the phoenix are constructed from bright orange paper? No. other bright orange material? Yes, sort of. and some other relevant material? Yes? No? Sort of.
The internal parts of the phoenix are constructed from a different material? Yes.
The foil pan is part of the art work? No.
Strings? No. wires? Yes. are part of the artwork? Yes.

The artwork was commissioned? No. for the purpose of being lit?
The artwork was intended to be lit by the person(s) that constructed it? Yes.
When lit, the artwork was lit only once? No. in the correct place? Yes. in an incorrect place? No.
After being lit, some other part of the artwork caught fire? No. that wasn't meant to? No. that wasn't meant to at the time that it did? No. that wasn't meant to in the way that it did? Yes.
The fire burned bigger than expected? No. produced more smoke than expected? No. in a way that suggested the artwork was constructed from inappropriate materials for this use? Yes. in a way that presented a danger to the surroundings? No. people? No. just to the artwork itself? Yes.

The artwork was lit with the foil pan acting as a base? Yes. in the place it is in this photo? Yes. somewhere else? No.
The artwork was moved after it was lit? No.
The artwork is outside? Yes. relevant? No. was outside when it was lit? Yes. relevant? No.

No water was involved in the artwork itself? Correct. or was present in the immediate vicinity of the artwork in some form? Water was present. other than when it was introduced to put out the fire? No- this was the only water involved. intentionally? Yes. with the agreement of all present that this was correct to do? Yes.
It is relevant from where the water was sourced? No. tap? hose? bucket? fish tank? pond? pool?

All relevant aspects of the photo have been identified? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby biograd » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:29 am

Is it relevant that (at least from the admittedly small picture) the burnt paper looks somewhat like it could be the cooked meat of an actual bird (like part of a barbecued chicken for example)?
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Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:32 am

No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:32 am

When lit, did it burn bigger than intended? Faster? Hotter? Smokier? Sootier? Ashier? Tipping over-ier? Noisier? Dangerouslier?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:39 am

GalFisk wrote:When lit, did it burn bigger than intended? No. Faster? No. Hotter? No. Smokier? No. Sootier? No. Ashier? No. Tipping over-ier? No. Noisier? No. Dangerouslier? No.


Now ask the opposites :)
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:02 am

Did it burn: smaller than intended? Slower? Colder? Less smoky? Less smoky? Less ashy? Too stable? Too silent? Too safely? Too brightly? Too dimly? Invisibly? Did it glow rather than burn?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:42 am

GalFisk wrote:Did it burn: smaller than intended? Yes. Slower? Yes. Colder? No. Less smoky? No. Less smoky? I said no! :p Less ashy? No. Too stable? No. Too silent? No. Too safely? Yes. Too brightly? No. Too dimly? Yes. Invisibly? No. Did it glow rather than burn? No, but...
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:34 am

No! I meant "less sooty?" :)
Was it supposed to burn: quickly? Completely? Was it extinguished because there was danger? Because of a misunderstanding? Because it was pointless to leave it burning the way it was? Was anything done to modify the fire, except adding water? If so, was an accelerant added? Did anyone get hurt?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:54 pm

GalFisk wrote:No! I meant "less sooty?" :)
Was it supposed to burn: quickly? Yes. Completely? Yes. Was it extinguished because there was danger? No. Because of a misunderstanding? No. Because it was pointless to leave it burning the way it was? Yes. Was anything done to modify the fire, except adding water? No. If so, was an accelerant added? No. Did anyone get hurt? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:09 pm

So the story is:
Somebody made a paper phoenix?
Which they wanted to burn dramatically?
But it burned so undramatically that they poured water on it?
Rather than having it sit around smoldering?

Relevant why they wanted to burn one? Did this happen on a stage? At a party? For a film? As a performance? Relevant why it burned poorly?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:04 pm

GalFisk wrote:So the story is:
Somebody made a paper phoenix? Yes.
Which they wanted to burn dramatically? Yes.
But it burned so undramatically that they poured water on it? No.
Rather than having it sit around smoldering? Yes.

Relevant why they wanted to burn one? Yes. Did this happen on a stage? No. At a party? No. For a film? No. As a performance? Possibly. Relevant why it burned poorly? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:24 pm

Did it burn poorly because it was: moist? Had too much glue in it? Too thick material? Wrong material? Wrong size? Too little air inside? Was made from flame-proofed material? Had plastic in it? Did the fire relevantly smell bad?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:31 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did it burn poorly because it was: moist? Yes. Had too much glue in it? No. Too thick material? No. Wrong material? No. Wrong size? No. Too little air inside? No. Was made from flame-proofed material? Hesitant yes. Had plastic in it? No. Did the fire relevantly smell bad? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:33 pm

Did the relevant moisture come from: when it was made? Before? Later? From bulk water? Rain? Mist? Air moisture? Is insufficient drying relevant? An accident? Rushing?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] A pictoral puzzle

Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:25 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did the relevant moisture come from: when it was made? Yes, in a sense. Before? No. Later? Yes, in a sense. From bulk water? No. Rain? No. Mist? No. Air moisture? No. Is insufficient drying relevant? No. An accident? No. Rushing?No.
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