[JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law (INTO THE BIG HOUSE)

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[JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law (INTO THE BIG HOUSE)

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:08 am

One look at the roof solved a crime. How?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby trebor » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:29 am

Had a crime been committed on the roof? Had some evidence of a crime been left on the roof? Was something missing from the roof? Was someone relevantly on the roof?

Was the roof seen: by the naked eye? From the ground? From a ladder? From an aerial device? Camera? From the roof of a higher building? By someone standing on the roof in question?

Look = glance? Examination? Was it the roof of a house? Doghouse? Treehouse? Another building? Relevant what the building was?

Relevant what crime had been committed? Murder? Assault? Kidnapping? Arson? Cable/WiFi theft? Illegal jettisoning of stuff from an airplane? Something involving breaking building codes? A violent crime? A financial one? Crime as in a real criminal activity? Are animals involved?

Was the roof seen by: a single person? A group of people? The police? Someone investigating the crime?
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Postby Mimino » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:33 pm

A roof of a house? a garage? other kind of building? of a car? the roof level of a building? a "roof" rock structure, as in climbing? something different?
Was there a person on the roof? an animal? an inanimate object? a decorative pattern? something written? a window? was the roof relevantly damaged?
Is the material of the rooftop relevant?
"solved a crime" = revealed the identity of the perpetrator? revealed the course of actions? the motive? what crime actually had happened? whether there was a crime at all? prevented a crime from happening?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:37 pm

Had a crime been committed on the roof? No. Had some evidence of a crime been left on the roof? Yes. Was something missing from the roof? Yes. Was someone relevantly on the roof? No.

Was the roof seen: by the naked eye? From the ground? From a ladder? From an aerial device? Camera? From the roof of a higher building? By someone standing on the roof in question? Irr. Assume naked eye, from the ground.

Look = glance? This. Examination? Was it the roof of a house? Assume this. Doghouse? Treehouse? Another building? Relevant what the building was? Assume a human residence.

Relevant what crime had been committed? Yes. Murder? Assault? Kidnapping? Arson? Cable/WiFi theft? Illegal jettisoning of stuff from an airplane? Something involving breaking building codes? Possibly. A violent crime? A financial one? None of the rest. Crime as in a real criminal activity? Yes. Are animals involved? No.

Was the roof seen by: a single person? A group of people? The police? Someone investigating the crime? Irr. Assume a single person, who informed the police.

A roof of a house? Assume this. a garage? Would work. other kind of building? Anything of sufficient size. of a car? No. the roof level of a building? This. a "roof" rock structure, as in climbing? something different?
Was there a person on the roof? an animal? an inanimate object? a decorative pattern? something written? a window? was the roof relevantly damaged? No to all.
Is the material of the rooftop relevant? Possibly, to a minor extent.
"solved a crime" = revealed the identity of the perpetrator? This. revealed the course of actions? the motive? what crime actually had happened? This. whether there was a crime at all? This. prevented a crime from happening?
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Postby trebor » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:54 pm

Was some part of the building structure missing from the roof? ie, bricks? A chimney? A vent? The eaves? A satellite dish/TV antenna? Was this the evidence that was left? Was something also on the roof that shouldn't have been there?

I'm assuming that since this could be seen from the ground that it wasn't something in the middle of the roof, or that if it was it was sufficiently big to be able to still be seen from that vantage point. Would this be correct?

Is the crime a B&E? Was it committed by a single person? Was it committed on the property? Was it committed by a resident of the property? By a neighbour? Would you say the victim of the crime is: the homeowner? Someone else who lives there? Someone the perpetrator knows? A company? Is insurance relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:00 am

Was some part of the building structure missing from the roof? ie, bricks? A chimney? A vent? The eaves? A satellite dish/TV antenna? Was this the evidence that was left? Was something also on the roof that shouldn't have been there? No to all.

I'm assuming that since this could be seen from the ground that it wasn't something in the middle of the roof, or that if it was it was sufficiently big to be able to still be seen from that vantage point. Would this be correct? It depends on the roof's style and the viewer's vantage point. Assume it is visible to passersby.

Is the crime a B&E? No. Was it committed by a single person? Irr. Was it committed on the property? Yes. Was it committed by a resident of the property? Yes. By a neighbour? No. Would you say the victim of the crime is: the homeowner? Someone else who lives there? Someone the perpetrator knows? A company? None of these. No one is directly harmed by the crime. Is insurance relevant? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:00 am

Check your PMs.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby Balin » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:23 pm

Are chimneys relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:10 pm

Check your PMs. You got it.

Are chimneys relevant? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby Sundowner » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:23 pm

Was the construction of the roof part of the crime? or did it just give away the crime?
As there was no one directly harmed by the crime .. was someone indirectly harmed? the government? the general public? the neighborhood?
Tax evasion relevant? Bribery? Was the house illegaly subsidized with government money?
DId the house owner commit the crime? the company who built the house? if so: without involving the house owner?
Was the house larger than allowed? taller than allowed? not allowed at all in this place?
Was the house falsely documented in official documents? (i.e. in order to save money)
Did the number of roof tiles reveal that the house was larger than allowed?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:31 am

Was the construction of the roof part of the crime? No. or did it just give away the crime? Yes.
As there was no one directly harmed by the crime .. was someone indirectly harmed? Yes. the government? This. the general public? This. the neighborhood? Possibly this.
Tax evasion relevant? Possibly. Bribery? Was the house illegaly subsidized with government money? No to the others.
DId the house owner commit the crime? This. the company who built the house? No. if so: without involving the house owner?
Was the house larger than allowed? taller than allowed? not allowed at all in this place? No to all.
Was the house falsely documented in official documents? (i.e. in order to save money) No.
Did the number of roof tiles reveal that the house was larger than allowed? No.
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Postby Mimino » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:52 am

Was the house as such normal? and conforming with the law? but inside the house a crime happened?
Was the crime an one-time action? or something ongoing?
Did the house owner illegaly run a business in the house? a business which he did not report to the tax department?
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Postby Sundowner » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:11 am

Was there some unusual structure on the roof? like a window? a missing tile? a ventilation exit? a hose pipe sticking out?
Was the evidence of the crime visible with the naked eye? or did one need special equipment? like an infrared camera? was the evidence detected on a satellite photo? (Google Earth, maybe?)
Did they illegaly grow hemp under the roof?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:28 pm

Was the house as such normal? and conforming with the law? but inside the house a crime happened? Yes to all.
Was the crime an one-time action? or something ongoing? This.
Did the house owner illegaly run a business in the house? a business which he did not report to the tax department? In some cases, yes, this would apply.

Was there some unusual structure on the roof? like a window? a missing tile? a ventilation exit? a hose pipe sticking out? No to all.
Was the evidence of the crime visible with the naked eye? Yes. or did one need special equipment? like an infrared camera? was the evidence detected on a satellite photo? (Google Earth, maybe?) These could be useful in other circumstances.
Did they illegaly grow hemp under the roof? Yes.
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Postby Mimino » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:24 pm

Earlier was mentioned that something was missing from the roof: Did someone remove something from the roof? Did it go off by itself? Has it never been there?
The missing thing: part of the rooftop material? a chimney? a satellite antenna? a rain gutter? paint? something that naturally accumulates on the roof? (like: grass, leaves, moss?)
Was there a hole in the roof? a distinctive stain?
Was it a green roof, by any chance?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:31 pm

Earlier was mentioned that something was missing from the roof: Did someone remove something from the roof? Did it go off by itself? This. Has it never been there?
The missing thing: part of the rooftop material? a chimney? a satellite antenna? a rain gutter? paint? something that naturally accumulates on the roof? This. (like: grass, leaves, moss?) But none of these.
Was there a hole in the roof? a distinctive stain? This.
Was it a green roof, by any chance? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby Sundowner » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:42 am

The stain: mould? moss? roofing material that changed its color? paint peeling off?
Was the stain caused by heat? humidity? chemical impact? vibration?
Did the stain have the shape of a typical grow box?
Was the stain visible at night? (i.e. light shining through)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:28 pm

The stain: mould? moss? roofing material that changed its color? paint peeling off? No to all.
Was the stain caused by heat? This. humidity? chemical impact? vibration?
Did the stain have the shape of a typical grow box? No.
Was the stain visible at night? (i.e. light shining through) No.
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Postby Sundowner » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:56 pm

Was the roofing material: tiles (clay)? slate? wood? concrete? metal? plastic? bitumen? thatch? something else?
Were there several layers of covering? and in some place the upper layer was gone off?
Were there solar panels?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:40 am

Was the roofing material: tiles (clay)? slate? wood? concrete? metal? plastic? bitumen? thatch? something else? Generally irrelevant. Assume tile.
Were there several layers of covering? and in some place the upper layer was gone off? No to both.
Were there solar panels? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law

Postby trebor » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:21 pm

Was snow missing from the roof?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:10 am

Was snow missing from the roof? Yes.
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Postby Sundowner » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:58 pm

Was it the only house in the whole neighborhood where snow was missing on the roof?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:24 am

Was it the only house in the whole neighborhood where snow was missing on the roof? Assume yes.
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Postby trebor » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:37 am

Did the police deduce that some extra energy consumption must’ve been taking place? Like lamps that were needed for the growing but melted the snow on the roof above?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:51 pm

Did the police deduce that some extra energy consumption must’ve been taking place? Yes. Like lamps that were needed for the growing but melted the snow on the roof above? Got it.





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Police in the Netherlands have caught cannabis growers in several cities by looking for roofs with melted snow. The large amounts of "grow lights" required produce huge amounts of heat. Even without this visual telltale, UK police are using thermal cameras on helicopters to look for hothouse operations.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law (INTO THE BIG HOUSE)

Postby Lynne » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:54 am

Haha! I've always been able to tell whether a roof is insulated or not by the number of birds on it compared to the neighbours. Of course, the roof without proper insulation will melt the snow quicker.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law (INTO THE BIG HOUSE)

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:20 am

Wow, that's something I hadn't thought of! Might've made a good puzzle on its own!
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Observance of the Law (INTO THE BIG HOUSE)

Postby Lynne » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:25 pm

Oh I think that the lights used for cannabis growing would have a much quicker effect of melting snow, more than gradual heat rising up from the rest of the house. I would imagine it would result in little snow actually staying on the roof, unlike the law abiding (or those growing cannabis in the cellar?) neighbours!
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