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[Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:03 am

A true story:

One day, my brother-in-law's license plate was stolen.

Six months later, he was detained by the police on suspicion of plotting to assassinate the Pope.

Why?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:14 am

Did someone else relevantly plot to assassinate the Pope?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:33 am

Relevant who stole it? What happened to it afterwards? Was it used on a vehicle? Was he plotting to assassinate the Pope? Was any actual assassination plot against anyone at all present?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:42 am

LemonCurry wrote:Did someone else relevantly plot to assassinate the Pope? No.



GalFisk wrote:Relevant who stole it? No. What happened to it afterwards? No. Was it used on a vehicle? Unknown. Was he plotting to assassinate the Pope? No. Was any actual assassination plot against anyone at all present? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:00 am

Was the detainment genuine? The suspicion? Relevant what he did with his car after the plate was stolen? Was there a relevant delay between the theft and him knowing it was gone? Anything relevant about the car except the missing plate? Was it the front plate? Rear? Both?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:44 am

GalFisk wrote:Was the detainment genuine? Yes. The suspicion? Yes. Relevant what he did with his car after the plate was stolen? Yes. Was there a relevant delay between the theft and him knowing it was gone? No. Anything relevant about the car except the missing plate? I can't answer this question as asked. Was it the front plate? Rear? Both? Not relevant.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:06 am

Did he get new licence plates on the car? Relevant what they were spelling?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:12 am

LemonCurry wrote:Did he get new licence plates on the car? Yes. Relevant what they were spelling? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:31 am

Anything relevant about the new plates? Did they have the same number as the old ones? Had the numbers on the new plates been on another vehicle before? Was the suspicion connected to the new plates? Is the misreading or mistyping of a letter or number relevant?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:53 pm

GalFisk wrote:Anything relevant about the new plates? Yes. Did they have the same number as the old ones? Yes. Had the numbers on the new plates been on another vehicle before? No. Was the suspicion connected to the new plates? Yes. Is the misreading or mistyping of a letter or number relevant? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Sundowner » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:08 pm

Did he report to the police that the license plate is stolen? Were both license plates stolen? if not: only front side? only back side?
Does your brother-in-law live in Rome? or anyhow near some other place the Pope frequently visits?
Did the Pope visit the city where your brother-in-law is living? or plan to visit?
Was your brother-in-law suspected to be a spy? a member of a secret/underground organization?
Was there ever a chance that your brother-in-law could come close to the Pope?
Does your brother-in-law have a very rare type of license plate? a strange or eye-catching license number?
Is the car registered in the Vatican? Does your brother-in-law live or work in the Vatican? or did he previously?
Did your brother-in-law drive the car while he was without license plate? Was he pulled over by the police?
Are we talking about the Roman-Catholic Pope, His Holyness Francis? or any other head of a religion having the title of a Pope?
Suspected method of assassination relevant? firearm? bomb? knife? poison? car crash?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:11 pm

Was it easy to see that the plates were new? Did the car look a different age than the plates? A different state? Such as dirtier? Did someone think he had put new plates on the car for a different reason? That he was doing something wrong/immoral&/illegal with the plates?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:02 pm

Sundowner wrote:Did he report to the police that the license plate is stolen? Yes. Were both license plates stolen? No. if not: only front side? only back side? Don't know, not relevant.
Does your brother-in-law live in Rome? No. or anyhow near some other place the Pope frequently visits?
Did the Pope visit the city where your brother-in-law is living? Yes. or plan to visit?
Was your brother-in-law suspected to be a spy? No. a member of a secret/underground organization? No.
Was there ever a chance that your brother-in-law could come close to the Pope? Theoretically.
Does your brother-in-law have a very rare type of license plate? No. a strange or eye-catching license number? No.
Is the car registered in the Vatican? No. Does your brother-in-law live or work in the Vatican? No. or did he previously? No.
Did your brother-in-law drive the car while he was without license plate? No. Was he pulled over by the police? No.
Are we talking about the Roman-Catholic Pope, His Holyness Francis? The previous pope, Benedict. or any other head of a religion having the title of a Pope?
Suspected method of assassination relevant? No. firearm? bomb? knife? poison? car crash?


GalFisk wrote:Was it easy to see that the plates were new? Did the car look a different age than the plates? A different state? Such as dirtier? Don't know the answers to any of these, not really relevant.

Did someone think he had put new plates on the car for a different reason? Yes. That he was doing something wrong/immoral&/illegal with the plates? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:31 pm

Were other people also detained on suspicion of trying to assassinate the pope? Was everyone who had the licence plates changed suspected?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:34 pm

Did someone think that he had done something wrong with: the new one? The stolen one? Temporary plates relevant?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:32 pm

LemonCurry wrote:Were other people also detained on suspicion of trying to assassinate the pope? I assume so. Was everyone who had the licence plates changed suspected? No.



GalFisk wrote:Did someone think that he had done something wrong with: the new one? Yes. The stolen one? Yes. Temporary plates relevant? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Sundowner » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:58 pm

Did the police see him mounting a new license plate to his car at the brink of the Pope's visit? so, suspecting something foul going on?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:04 pm

Sundowner wrote:Did the police see him mounting a new license plate to his car at the brink of the Pope's visit? so, suspecting something foul going on?

No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:20 am

Did he do something suspicious with the second old licence plate that was not stolen?
Did he drive with two different licence plates?
Did he fail to register his new licence plates properly?
Was the old licence number still visible somewhere relevant? In his papers? Or maybe he was parking on a designated parking spot that was still showing the old licence number?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Sundowner » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:42 pm

Were the other people who got detained also suspected because of their license plate? or license number?
Was the stolen license plate ever found? relevant?
Did your brother-in-law, when he reported the license plate stolen, point the police on to something? to something related to license plates with a certain quality?
Did the license plate give your brother-in-law access to some area? did it allow parking in some area? some area which the Pope possibly could pass?
Does this happen in the U.S.? Relevant?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:24 pm

LemonCurry wrote:Did he do something suspicious with the second old licence plate that was not stolen? No.
Did he drive with two different licence plates? No.
Did he fail to register his new licence plates properly? No.
Was the old licence number still visible somewhere relevant? Yes, but cross-reference previous answers on this subject. In his papers? No. Or maybe he was parking on a designated parking spot that was still showing the old licence number? No.


Sundowner wrote:Were the other people who got detained also suspected because of their license plate? or license number? No idea. The existence of other detained people is a reasonable assumption on my part but I have no details about them.
Was the stolen license plate ever found? Unknown. relevant? No.
Did your brother-in-law, when he reported the license plate stolen, point the police on to something? No. to something related to license plates with a certain quality? No.
Did the license plate give your brother-in-law access to some area? No. did it allow parking in some area? No. some area which the Pope possibly could pass? No.
Does this happen in the U.S.? No. Relevant? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby LemonCurry » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:16 am

Is there a relevant photo of the car with the old licence plates? A witness report that the car had a different licence plate than before?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:35 am

LemonCurry wrote:Is there a relevant photo of the car with the old licence plates? No. A witness report that the car had a different licence plate than before? No.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby trebor » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:57 pm

Had whoever stole your brother's plate done something, and the police were looking for him? Is what happened to the stolen plate relevant? Is it relevant why the plate was stolen?

Your brother did something relevant with his car after the plate was stolen. Did he have something done to it that would make it more difficult for plates to be stolen in future? Did he have something done to it that would prevent theft of the car itself? Of another component of the car? Do something that would prevent damage to it? Did he have repair work done? Did he paint it? Did he have bullet-resistant glass installed? Did he kidnap the Pope and put him inside? (Ha ha.) Did he add some religious iconography to it? Did he hang something relevant inside the car? Did he take it somewhere relevant? Did he avoid driving it for a period of time?

Was anything else stolen, aside from the plate? Was the car damaged during the theft?

Is the Popemobile relevant? Is what the Pope or his entourage intended to do during the visit relevant? Is the route they were taking relevant?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:27 pm

trebor wrote:Had whoever stole your brother's plate done something, and the police were looking for him? Yes: Stealing the plate :) Is what happened to the stolen plate relevant? No. Is it relevant why the plate was stolen? No.

Your brother did something relevant with his car after the plate was stolen. Did he have something done to it that would make it more difficult for plates to be stolen in future? No. Did he have something done to it that would prevent theft of the car itself? No. Of another component of the car? No. Do something that would prevent damage to it? No. Did he have repair work done? No. Did he paint it? No. Did he have bullet-resistant glass installed? No. Did he kidnap the Pope and put him inside? (Ha ha.) No :) Did he add some religious iconography to it? No. Did he hang something relevant inside the car? No. Did he take it somewhere relevant? Yes. Did he avoid driving it for a period of time? No.

Was anything else stolen, aside from the plate? No. Was the car damaged during the theft? No.

Is the Popemobile relevant? No. Is what the Pope or his entourage intended to do during the visit relevant? Yes. Is the route they were taking relevant? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:44 pm

Did he plan to drive the car into an area with restricted access during the Pope's visit?
Did he need to fill out a form to get access to said area, and accidentally filled his old licence number into the form?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Sundowner » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:34 pm

Were the license number on the new plate and on the old plate the same?
Did his car get CCTV-ed in some place? or pass a toll post with automated license number recognition?
Did he come under suspection because of sheer coincidence? because of his license number appearing in two different lists (the list of stolen plates and some other list)?
Did the police mistake him for the thief of his license plate?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:58 pm

LemonCurry wrote:Did he plan to drive the car into an area with restricted access during the Pope's visit? No.
Did he need to fill out a form to get access to said area, and accidentally filled his old licence number into the form? This question makes a false assumption.


Sundowner wrote:Were the license number on the new plate and on the old plate the same? Yes.
Did his car get CCTV-ed in some place? No. or pass a toll post with automated license number recognition? No.
Did he come under suspection because of sheer coincidence? Yes. because of his license number appearing in two different lists (the list of stolen plates and some other list)? No.
Did the police mistake him for the thief of his license plate? Yes.
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Sundowner » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:32 pm

Did the police check all cars entering a particular area? because the area was on the Pope's expected route? and arrested your brother-in-law because he had a license plate on his car that was reported as stolen?
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Re: [Yerushalmi] Duck, Your Holiness

Postby Yerushalmi » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:50 pm

Sundowner wrote:Did the police check all cars entering a particular area? because the area was on the Pope's expected route? and arrested your brother-in-law because he had a license plate on his car that was reported as stolen?


Close enough!

*****SPOILERS*****

The route the Pope was taking through the city happened to go right past my brother-in-law's school. The day before he arrived, the police did an advance sweep of the route and noted a car with a license number that was reported stolen.

So they waited by the car until my brother-in-law returned to it at the end of the school day, asked him a few questions, searched the car to ensure it was the one the license plates actually belonged to and not the stolen one, and released him. (I was specific in my language - he was detained, not arrested.)
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