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[Doriana] *Mr Burns voice* Excellent!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:29 pm
by Doriana
Yesterday, we received the news that we did not get the multi-million euro, 7-year funding from the German Science Foundation that we had applied for. A lot of work went into our proposal and we were really looking forward to the grant money. However, my co-workers, supervisor and I are actually not too sad that we didn't get it. Why?

we = several collaborating departments at my university

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:17 pm
by Balin
Good to see you here again!

Would you have had to do certain work if you had received the grant? Would you have had to change locations? Travel?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:38 pm
by Doriana
Good to see you here again! It's good to be back, although I'm so caught up in work these days that I don't know if this will be a long-term stay or a weekend visit...

Would you have had to do certain work if you had received the grant? Would you have had to change locations? Travel? No to all

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:17 pm
by irishelk
Does not getting the grant money mean that you will get another advantage? Money from another source? Do you expect to have 7 years of funding, or almost the same amount, anyway? Did you reap the advantages of publicity from the application process?

Would you be sad if you did get it?

Is the subject matter of what would be funded relevant? Are you studying the funding process?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:31 pm
by Doriana
Does not getting the grant money mean that you will get another advantage? [b]noish [/b]Money from another source? no Do you expect to have 7 years of funding, or almost the same amount, anyway? Did you reap the advantages of publicity from the application process? irrel to both

Would you be sad if you did get it? no, but...

Is the subject matter of what would be funded relevant? noish Are you studying the funding process? no

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:01 am
by Balin
Would you be annoyed if you did get it? Angry? Did you think one of the other proposals (the one that did get it, perhaps) should have gotten the grant?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:26 pm
by GalFisk
Relevant why you didn't get it? Did it go to someone who deserved it more? Relevant who did get this grant? Did anyone get it at all? Will the science get done regardless? If so, by you? By someone else?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:10 pm
by Doriana
Would you be annoyed if you did get it? OTRT Angry? no Did you think one of the other proposals (the one that did get it, perhaps) should have gotten the grant? irrel

Relevant why you didn't get it? no Did it go to someone who deserved it more? Relevant who did get this grant? Did anyone get it at all? Will the science get done regardless? If so, by you? By someone else? irrel to rest

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:26 pm
by Balin
Did you send a serious proposal to the grant? Did you send the proposal with the intent of wanting the grant money?
Is it relevant who did get the grant money? Was it another department at the same place?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:26 pm
by Doriana
Did you send a serious proposal to the grant? Did you send the proposal with the intent of wanting the grant money? Yes to both
Is it relevant who did get the grant money? No, not relevant Was it another department at the same place? Irrel

Clarification: We would have been mostly happy to get the grant money, but we would have been annoyed(ish) about one aspect of getting the grant.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:04 pm
by GalFisk
Aspect related to: criteria for getting it? Obligations for using it? Financial issues? Who will use it?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:35 pm
by Doriana
Aspect related to: criteria for getting it? Obligations for using it? Financial issues? Who will use it? No to all

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:46 pm
by GalFisk
Related to an event? A person? A group? An object? Or type of object? Research? Money? Researchers? An institution? Business? Would getting a grant keep something relevant from being done?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:53 pm
by Doriana
Related to an event? This for svv of 'event' A person? A group? An object? This for svv of 'object' Or type of object? Research? This Money? Researchers? An institution? Business? Would getting a grant keep something relevant from being done? Not keep from being done entirely, but make it harder to do

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:53 pm
by Doriana
Hint: Think about what we could do with several million Euros.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:44 pm
by trebor
Would the grant have enabled you to hire more people? Do further research? Buy something(s)?

Relevant what your field of work is? What the end goal of the research would be? Or what the “event” would be? Would the event be the publication of the findings of the research? A formal ceremony at the end of a project?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:57 pm
by Doriana
Would the grant have enabled you to hire more people? Do further research? Irrel to these Buy something(s)? Yesish, explore

Relevant what your field of work is? One aspect of my field of work is relevant, explore What the end goal of the research would be? no, irrel Or what the “event” would be? Yes, it would be the above-mentioned buying of something Would the event be the publication of the findings of the research? A formal ceremony at the end of a project? No to rest

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:58 pm
by Balin
Is it relevant how you would have received the money? If so, digitally? Through check?
Would you have purchased something tangible? Another building?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:31 pm
by Doriana
Is it relevant how you would have received the money? If so, digitally? Through check? Irrel (and I don't know, although I was hoping for one of those huge novelty checks)
Would you have purchased something tangible? Another building? This!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:58 pm
by Balin
Longshot pays off!
Would you have to spend lots of time/money getting the building prepared for what you'd need it for? Which would leave less money/time for the actual research?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:26 pm
by trebor
Is your work related to: Science? Medicine? Social sciences? Fine Arts?

Would the building be used for lectures/classes? To conduct research? Other work that is part of your professional practice? Housing? Storage? Libraries relevant?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:45 pm
by Doriana
Would you have to spend lots of time/money getting the building prepared for what you'd need it for? Money irrel; time yes Which would leave less money/time for the actual research? No, but it would still interfere with our research, explore

Is your work related to: Science? Medicine? Social sciences? Fine Arts? I work in psychology (and I don't want to get into a heated debate whether that's science or social science :lol: )

Would the building be used for lectures/classes? To conduct research? Other work that is part of your professional practice? Housing? Storage? Libraries relevant? It's irrel what it would be used for

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:19 pm
by irishelk
Would the new building mean you would have to spend your time in an annoying way? Moving/setting up the new building? Doing work unrelated to your main projects? Teaching? Applying for more grants? Would the commute there be longer?

Is an experimental aspect of your job relevant? Publicity-related? Academic publishing? Clerical/paperwork-y? Would you relevantly have test subjects come to the building? Or patients/clients? Or students? Or tour groups?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:55 pm
by Doriana
Would the new building mean you would have to spend your time in an annoying way? Moving/setting up the new building? Doing work unrelated to your main projects? Teaching? Applying for more grants? Would the commute there be longer? No to these

Is an experimental aspect of your job relevant? This Publicity-related? Academic publishing? Clerical/paperwork-y? Would you relevantly have test subjects come to the building? Not to the new building, but... Or patients/clients? Or students? Or tour groups?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:10 pm
by Balin
Would they come to the old building? Is travel relevant to the solution?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:41 pm
by Doriana
Would they come to the old building? yes Is travel relevant to the solution? no

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:48 pm
by Balin
Would you want people to come to the old building? The new building?
Potential location of the new building relevant?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:10 pm
by Doriana
Would you want people to come to the old building? This The new building?
Potential location of the new building relevant? very

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:45 pm
by Doriana
HINT: Find out where the new building is in relation to the old building.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:04 am
by trebor
Is the new building adjacent to the old building? Quite a ways away from the old building? Are the two buildings in the same city?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:06 pm
by Doriana
Is the new building adjacent to the old building? This Quite a ways away from the old building? Are the two buildings in the same city? yes

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:23 pm
by irishelk
If the new building was acquired, would test subjects go to the new building? Continue to go to the old building? Get confused/mistaken about where to go? Have to go to both?

Do you and your co-workers think that another building would make experimentation more annoying for the test subjects? Or more annoying for you? More difficult? Less accurate? Take longer?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:55 pm
by Doriana
If the new building was acquired, would test subjects go to the new building? Eventually, yes Continue to go to the old building? In the beginning, yes. Why? Get confused/mistaken about where to go? Have to go to both? No to these

Do you and your co-workers think that another building would make experimentation more annoying for the test subjects? Or more annoying for you? More difficult? Less accurate? All of these, but beware of FA Take longer? no

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:52 pm
by Balin
Would the new building need to be modified in some way? The old building?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:06 pm
by Doriana
Would the new building need to be modified in some way? Yes for svv of 'modify' The old building? no

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:55 pm
by irishelk
Is it the change of buildings that would make experimentation/testing more troublesome? Or some aspect of the new building?

Is my FA regarding the nature of the "test subjects"? Is it not exactly an "experiment" that is being run? Are the "test subjects" anyone who happens to enter the building? Are they being polled or interviewed? Are they being treated? Are they the scientists and researchers?

Does the experiment (or whatever research is being done) rely on a specific type of building? Room? Door? Window? Does it require quiet? Are stairs relevant? Elevators? Street addresses?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:56 pm
by Doriana
Is it the change of buildings that would make experimentation/testing more troublesome? Or some aspect of the new building? No to both

Is my FA regarding the nature of the "test subjects"? No Is it not exactly an "experiment" that is being run? Are the "test subjects" anyone who happens to enter the building? Are they being polled or interviewed? Are they being treated? Are they the scientists and researchers? N/A to all

Does the experiment (or whatever research is being done) rely on a specific type of building? Room? Door? Window? Does it require quiet? YES Are stairs relevant? Elevators? Street addresses?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:13 pm
by trebor
Would construction noise be a hindrance to your work? (And the same for any demolition of those old building once you were working in the new one?)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:25 pm
by Doriana
Would construction noise be a hindrance to your work? YES (And the same for any demolition of those old building once you were working in the new one? Nope, we'll keep the old building because more buildings = more science)

********SPOILER********

Our application for a huge grant from the German Science Foundation was rejected. One of the things we would have used the grant money for would have been the construction of a new, three-story research facility next to our current building. This would have meant working next to constant construction noise for quite some time, which makes testing infants and toddlers a lot harder: We try to keep visual and auditory distractions to a minimum so that the kids stay on task, and construction noise would be really counterproductive.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:09 pm
by Balin
"more buildings = more science"... very true, GLADoS

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:56 pm
by irishelk
Nice one! And yes, herding and focusing children is difficult enough without extra background noises.