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[CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:16 pm

A man goes on a trip. When he's driven halfway, he gets out of his car and takes a picture.
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Postby hoodie » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:38 pm

A travel trip? drug trip?

Halfway to his trip destination? Or halfway to something else?

Is "takes a picture" meant to be interpreted the same as "snaps a photo"? Or do you mean, "there is a picture there, and he takes it"?

Assuming the former, is it relevant what he uses to take the picture? Camera? Phone?
Does he take a picture of a specific object? Objects? Scenery?
Does he take the picture so that he will remember something? As proof/evidence?
Does this puzzle involve crime?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:20 am

Is the car in the photo? Is it more relevant that he is halfway? Or that he is in a specific place? Is he trying to trick someone? To avoid being tricked?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:31 pm

A travel trip? Yes, this kind drug trip? Not this kind

Halfway to his trip destination? Or halfway to something else? You could say that both of these are accurate

Is "takes a picture" meant to be interpreted the same as "snaps a photo"? Yes, this
Or do you mean, "there is a picture there, and he takes it"? Not this

Assuming the former, is it relevant what he uses to take the picture? Camera? Phone? Could be either but most likely uses the camera feature on his phone
Does he take a picture of a specific object? Objects? Scenery? All of these
Does he take the picture so that he will remember something? As proof/evidence? This
Does this puzzle involve crime? Not yet, but...

Is the car in the photo? Maybe (it's not relevant) Is it more relevant that he is halfway? Yes
Or that he is in a specific place? This is very relevant, yes
Is he trying to trick someone? Not yet, but... To avoid being tricked? No
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:11 pm

Does he expect that he might want to trick someone? Be forced to trick someone? Get the opportunity to trick someone?
Does the photo have relevant: building(s)? Landmark(s)? Landscape? Lighting? Structure(s)? Human(s)? Animal(s)? A date and/or time stamp? Is it a digital photo? Analog? Instant? Relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:50 pm

Does he expect that he might want to trick someone? He knows that he wants to do this
Be forced to trick someone? No Get the opportunity to trick someone? Yes
Does the photo have relevant: building(s)? Yes, and... Landmark(s)? Landscape? ...this, and... Lighting? Structure(s)? ...this, and...Human(s)? ...this, and...Animal(s)? ...this.
A date and/or time stamp? Most likely yes
Is it a digital photo? Analog? Instant? Relevant? The only thing relevant is that he can show other people the photo easily and that it is recent
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:54 pm

Does he photograph a farm? Zoo? Are the animals made to be there by humans? Are they domesticated? Are the humans looking at the animals? Looking after the animals? Does he want to prove that he was at this place? Pretend it was some other place?
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Postby hoodie » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:57 pm

Does he want this evidence to protect himself ? If so, from a criminal? From an accusation? From the law? From something or someone else?

Does he want the evidence as ammunition to exert power over someone else?

Does he plan on showing this evidence to someone else? Will he show it only if something else goes wrong? If he shows it, will he show it to: a criminal? a victim? the law? friend? family member?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:45 pm

Does he photograph a farm? Possibly (this would actually work quite well) Zoo? No
Are the animals made to be there by humans? Yes Are they domesticated? Yes
Are the humans looking at the animals? Possible but not necessary
Looking after the animals? Not relevant
Does he want to prove that he was at this place? Pretend it was some other place? Yes to both

Does he want this evidence to protect himself ? If so, from a criminal? From an accusation? From the law? From something or someone else? No to all

Does he want the evidence as ammunition to exert power over someone else? Not exactly but explore

Does he plan on showing this evidence to someone else? Yes, for sure
Will he show it only if something else goes wrong? No

If he shows it, will he show it to: a criminal? No (at least not knowingly) a victim? Yes-ish
the law? No, most surely not friend? family member? Yes, both very likely
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Postby trebor » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:39 am

Does he intend to commit a crime? If so, is it murder? Theft? Fraud? Kidnapping? Trespassing? Is it a violent crime? White collar? Is the photograph to be used to establish an alibi? Is he going to try to trick: law enforcement? A family member? His employer? A victim of a potential crime? The family of the victim?

Does he know any of the people or animals he is photographing? Are the people his relatives? Friends? Are the animals pets? If so, pets belonging to the people in the photo? To him? Relevant what type of animal they are? When the man starts this trip, is he at home? Is his home the midway point of the trip? The final destination? Does the total trip take him more than a few hours? Does he cross any international borders? Relevant what the beginning or end points of the trip are? Does the trip have an end point that is different from the starting point? Is the most important part of the trip the taking of the photo? Arriving somewhere else? Being away from somewhere? Meeting somebody? Getting away from somebody?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:43 pm

Does he want to pretend that he has more to do with the animals than he actually does? That he works with them? Owns them?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:29 pm

Does he intend to commit a crime? Yes If so, is it murder? Theft? Fraud? Kidnapping? Trespassing? None of these
Is it a violent crime? No White collar? Yes
Is the photograph to be used to establish an alibi? Not exactly but explore this a bit...
Is he going to try to trick: law enforcement? Possibly, yes A family member? Possibly His employer? No A victim of a potential crime? Yes The family of the victim? Also very likely, yes

Does he know any of the people or animals he is photographing? He knows the people, yes Are the people his relatives? Friends? Could be either, we'll say it's a family member Are the animals pets? Some are, yes
If so, pets belonging to the people in the photo? Yes, some of them To him? No, they don't belong to him Relevant what type of animal they are? Only one of them
When the man starts this trip, is he at home? Yes Is his home the midway point of the trip? No, but...The final destination? ...this (good strand of q's to establish this)
Does the total trip take him more than a few hours? It could, several hours to a full day
Does he cross any international borders? No
Relevant what the beginning or end points of the trip are? He begins and ends at his own house (as established above), and this is relevant
Does the trip have an end point that is different from the starting point? So, no
Is the most important part of the trip the taking of the photo? Yes
Arriving somewhere else? Being away from somewhere? Meeting somebody? All of these are related but not the most important part
Getting away from somebody? No

Does he want to pretend that he has more to do with the animals than he actually does? Not exactly but something very much like this
That he works with them? Owns them? He may want to claim that he owns some of them
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:28 pm

Does he want to pretend to own a specific animal? To have experience with it? Is the animal a mammal? Bird? Reptile? Is it a horse? Dog? Cat? Bull? Is he posing with the animal?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:30 pm

Does he want to pretend to own a specific animal? No To have experience with it? Yes, of a certain kind
Is the animal a mammal? Yes (the relevant one is)
Bird? Reptile? Is it a horse? Dog? Cat? Bull? None of these
Is he posing with the animal? Yes
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:51 pm

Is it used for: Meat? Wool? Milk? Pulling? Carrying? Riding? Companionship? Is it a pig? Cow? Sheep? Goat?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:21 pm

Is it used for: Meat? Wool? Milk? Pulling? Carrying? Riding? None of these Companionship? Yes, but only by a few people with certain knowledge about this kind of animal
Is it a pig? Cow? Sheep? Goat? None of these
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:36 pm

Is it used for other purposes than companionship? Is it used for scientific experiments? For exhibition? For preservation efforts? Is it a marine mammal? Smaller mammal? Larger mammal?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:59 pm

Is it used for other purposes than companionship? Sometimes... Is it used for scientific experiments? Not that I know of but this might be possible For exhibition? ...yes, it has been used for this.
For preservation efforts? Not that I know of Is it a marine mammal? No
Smaller mammal? Larger mammal? Not considered small, some might consider it "large" compared to other animals that have something in common with it
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:09 pm

Is it a feline? Canine? Ursine? Bovine? Marsupial? Does it have claws? Cloves? Hoofs? Feet? Does it eat meat? Does it sometimes kill humans?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:37 pm

Is it a feline? Canine? This Ursine? Bovine? Marsupial? Does it have claws? Yes Cloves? Hoofs? Feet? Yes Does it eat meat? Yes Does it sometimes kill humans? Very, very rarely
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:14 am

Dog? Wolf? Coyote? Fox? Jackal? Dingo? Dhole? Raccoon dog?
If it's a dog, is it relevant which race?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:25 pm

Dog? Wolf? Coyote? Fox? Jackal? Dingo? Dhole? Raccoon dog? It's a coyote
If it's a dog, is it relevant which race? N/R
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:52 pm

So he's pretending that he has a tame coyote, right?
Does he do this thing to: scam someone? Threaten? Impress? Confuse? Win over? Alienate? Annoy? Surpass?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:43 pm

So he's pretending Not yet he isn't... that he has a tame coyote, right? ...no.
Does he do this thing to: scam someone? Slightly, yes Threaten? No Impress? Confuse? Win over? To a degree, yes Alienate? Annoy? Surpass? No
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:47 am

Is he planning to pretend to know more about coyotes than he does? To have a skill with coyotes which he doesn't have? To have done something with a coyote that he hasn't? Do have been somewhere with a coyote that he wasn't?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:49 pm

Is he planning to pretend to know more about coyotes than he does? In a way, he will pretend to know one thing about them
To have a skill with coyotes which he doesn't have? No
To have done something with a coyote that he hasn't? In part, yes
Do have been somewhere with a coyote that he wasn't? Yes
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:43 pm

Is the coyote in question outside their natural habitat? Is he planning to pretend that he was in their natural habitat?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:36 pm

Is the coyote in question outside their natural habitat? Partly, yes
Is he planning to pretend that he was in their natural habitat? No
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Postby hoodie » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:00 pm

You answered yes to this being a "white collar" crime. So would it be safe to say that acquiring money is the end goal? Or perhaps to avoid having to pay money? Are taxes relevant?

You also answered "no" to "fraud" being the crime? If fraud is defined as illegal deception for the purpose of financial gain, then is this fraud?

Is it relevant who actually owns the coyote? Is it a friend? family member?

If he can trick people into thinking that he knows something about coyotes and possibly that he owns them, will it benefit him because people will:

trust him?
invest money?
loan him something?
believe he has spent his time doing something other than what he has been doing?
believe he has good intentions?
believe he has expertise?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:06 pm

You answered yes to this being a "white collar" crime. So would it be safe to say that acquiring money is the end goal? Correct Or perhaps to avoid having to pay money? Are taxes relevant? No to both

You also answered "no" to "fraud" being the crime? If fraud is defined as illegal deception for the purpose of financial gain, then is this fraud? Aspects of it would be considered fraud under this definition, yes

Is it relevant who actually owns the coyote? Is it a friend? family member? Yes it is relevant - nobody owns it

If he can trick people into thinking that he knows something about coyotes and possibly that he owns them, will it benefit him because people will:

trust him? Yes
invest money? In a way
loan him something? No
believe he has spent his time doing something other than what he has been doing? Not really
believe he has good intentions? YES, very much so
believe he has expertise? Yes, this too
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Postby hoodie » Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:15 am

Is he trying to trick people into paying him money in exchange for a service? In exchange for a product? Or trick them into donating money to a cause?
Is he trying to pass himself off as someone who helps animals?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:55 pm

Is he trying to trick people into paying him money in exchange for a service? In exchange for a product? Yes to both
Or trick them into donating money to a cause? No
Is he trying to pass himself off as someone who helps animals? No
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:26 am

Charity relevant? Animals besides coyotes relevant? Does he intend to deliver any service? Any product?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:26 pm

Charity relevant? No
Animals besides coyotes relevant? Yes but to a lesser degree
Does he intend to deliver any service? Any product? Both
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Postby hoodie » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Is the coyote the product? If not, is the product directly related to coyotes? Indirectly related?

Is the product animal-related?

Is the product an inanimate or animate object? Is it a product that would have practical utility? Aesthetic value? Luxury item? Is it real-estate?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:03 pm

Is the coyote the product? No If not, is the product directly related to coyotes? Indirectly related? Moreso this

Is the product animal-related? Not specifically, no

Is the product an inanimate or animate object? Inanimate
Is it a product that would have practical utility? Some would say so, yes Aesthetic value? In many cases it does, yes. Also a function more related to certain animals. Luxury item? No Is it real-estate? No
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Postby hoodie » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:35 pm

Is the product a gun?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:28 pm

Is the product a gun? No
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Postby trebor » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:09 pm

The photo has him, a coyote, and other people and animals in it, correct? Could the photo just have him and the coyote and still have the same effect? Is the coyote alive at the time the photos taken? Does the coyote relevantly die later? How about the other people/animals? Is a tie-in with the Arizona Coyotes or another sports team relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:10 pm

The photo has him, a coyote, and other people and animals in it, correct? Yes
Could the photo just have him and the coyote and still have the same effect? Not quite
Is the coyote alive at the time the photos taken? No Does the coyote relevantly die later? No, not later
How about the other people/animals? None of them die
Is a tie-in with the Arizona Coyotes or another sports team relevant? No
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:50 pm

Does he pretend that it's alive? Is it taxidermied?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:17 pm

Does he pretend that it's alive? No, certainly not!
Is it taxidermied? No
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:03 pm

Does he pretend that he hunted it? Killed it? That it was killed for another reason than it actually was? That it died of natural causes? Of unnatural causes? Of poaching?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:45 pm

Does he pretend that he hunted it? Well not really, no Killed it? Yes
That it was killed for another reason than it actually was? Mostly no, but there is one relevant element of deception That it died of natural causes? No, most certainly not Of unnatural causes? Yes
Of poaching? No
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:05 pm

Does he pretend that he shot it? Trapped it? Beat it to death? Strangled it? Killed it with a weapon? An improvised weapon? His bare hands? Relevant who actually killed it?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm

Does he pretend that he shot it? Trapped it? Beat it to death? Strangled it? Killed it with a weapon? An improvised weapon? His bare hands? Most likely shot it or killed with some other weapon.

Relevant who actually killed it? Yes
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:58 pm

RECAP

A man takes a photo of himself, some animals, and a dead coyote.
The man did not kill the coyote but plans to pretend that he did.
The man plans to sell a product that most people find useful and helpful.
He will use the photo as part of his sales plan, and there is some degree of deception involved.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:17 pm

Did a hunter kill it? A vehicle? Another animal? A trapper? Another human? Disease?
Does the product have anything to do with coyotes? With animals? Does he want to exaggerate, embellish or falsify some property of the product?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:34 pm

Did a hunter kill it? A vehicle? Another animal? A trapper? Another human? This Disease?
Does the product have anything to do with coyotes? Seemingly not, to many people, but he will prove that it does With animals? Yes, but typically not coyotes
Does he want to exaggerate, embellish or falsify some property of the product? All of these are OTRT, embellishing is closest. He will use another very common tactic...
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:02 pm

Is a property of the product relevant? Of potential buyers? Of existing buyers? Of the makers? Sellers?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:05 pm

Is a property of the product relevant? Yes
Of potential buyers? Of existing buyers? Of the makers? Sellers? Can you rephrase this?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:09 pm

Does the salesman want to give an untrue or embellished impression of himself? Does he pretend that the product killed the coyote?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:26 pm

Does the salesman want to give an untrue or embellished impression of himself? Yes, "untrue impression" is fairly accurate
Does he pretend that the product killed the coyote? No
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Postby Earnest » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:42 pm

Sorry for jumpin' in.

Did he pretend that the pic was taken suddenly? Without he expecting to take it? Was so.ething in backgroung relevant? Did he eventually modified the pic? Are social media relevant?
Is the product related to cars? Is the fact that he killed (in the eyes of potential costumers) the coyote negative? An undesirable accident? Positive(hunting...)?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:19 pm

Did he pretend that the pic was taken suddenly? No Without he expecting to take it? No
Was something in background relevant? Yes Did he eventually modified the pic? No
Are social media relevant? He will likely plan to use it, yes
Is the product related to cars? No
Is the fact that he killed (in the eyes of potential costumers) the coyote negative? NO, not at all
An undesirable accident? No, it is clearly with intent and purpose Positive(hunting...)? Yes, very positive but not in a hunting way
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Postby GalFisk » Thu May 02, 2019 1:58 pm

Not hunting: protection? Show of strength? Of cunning? Of power? Would it work if it was some other dead animal? If so: a wolf? A deer? A bear? A whale? A mouse? A snake?
Relevant what coyotes do in life? Where they live?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 02, 2019 2:45 pm

Not hunting: protection? Yes Show of strength? Of cunning? Of power? Not these
Would it work if it was some other dead animal? Yes, if it had something in common with a coyote
If so: a wolf? This would work, but there would need to be another relevant element
A deer? No A bear? Yes, but the same element as the wolf would be needed
A whale? A mouse? Ha ha, certainly not these A snake? Possibly, but his plan would not work nearly as well with this
Relevant what coyotes do in life? Where they live? YES to both
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 02, 2019 2:46 pm

This puzzle is based partly on something that happened just a few months ago in our neighborhood. Think about this, especially regarding that last set of questions...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 02, 2019 2:50 pm

Do coyotes: attack humans? Kids? Pets? Livestock? Scare people? Make noise? Root through garbage? Get in the way? Get into civilization too much? Get too used to humans? Get hit by cars? Is he selling a car? Or car accessory?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 02, 2019 3:23 pm

Do coyotes: attack humans? Kids? These are both of some concern, but it's mostly... Pets? Livestock? ...both of these Scare people? Make noise? Root through garbage? Get in the way? No
Get into civilization too much? Get too used to humans? Get hit by cars? No
Is he selling a car? Or car accessory? No
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Postby GalFisk » Fri May 03, 2019 12:58 pm

Is he saying that he can protect pets and livestock from coyotes? That his product can? That he can train people to do it? Is he seelling a weapon?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 03, 2019 2:33 pm

Is he saying that he can protect pets and livestock from coyotes? No, but... That his product can? ...yes, this. That he can train people to do it? No Is he selling a weapon? No
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Postby GalFisk » Fri May 03, 2019 6:42 pm

Is he claiming that the product kills coyotes? Does it actually? Is the product a trap? Weapon? Electric fence? Explosive device?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 03, 2019 7:06 pm

Is he claiming that the product kills coyotes? Does it actually? No to both
Is the product a trap? Weapon? Electric fence? It is a fence, but not electric Explosive device?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Sat May 04, 2019 10:59 am

Wire fence? Barbed wire? Netting? Wooden? Sheet metal? Does the fence protect against coyotes? Does he claim that it does?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Sat May 04, 2019 3:07 pm

Wire fence? Barbed wire? Netting? Wooden? This Sheet metal?
Does the fence protect against coyotes? Does he claim that it does? Yes, it does and he plans to claim that it does
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Sun May 05, 2019 7:11 am

Is he planning to lie about the fence? About himself? About coyotes?
Edit: does he plan to sell the fences where they're not needed? Does he want to scare his potential customers?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 06, 2019 4:15 am

Is he planning to lie about the fence? No
About himself? About coyotes? He plans to be deceptive about himself and this particular coyote, yes
Edit: does he plan to sell the fences where they're not needed? Does he want to scare his potential customers? Yes-ish, he plans to use fear to sell fences, and in some cases the fences may not be needed.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 06, 2019 10:19 am

Does he plan to say that this particular coyote was stopped by the fence? Interacted with the fence? Was in an area where it wasn't? Is he planning to lie about where he lives? How he himself uses the fence? Where coyotes are likely to be?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 06, 2019 2:20 pm

Does he plan to say that this particular coyote was stopped by the fence? No, the opposite!
Interacted with the fence? No Was in an area where it wasn't? Yes
Is he planning to lie about where he lives? No, he will tell the truth about this, but... How he himself uses the fence? ...yes, he will say that he uses a certain type of fence, and...Where coyotes are likely to be? ...he will also be truthful about this (because of something relevant). He is only planning to lie about one thing that is related to the coyote, himself, and the fence...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 06, 2019 3:01 pm

Will he claim that the coyote jumped the fence? Broke the fence? Tipped the fence over? Dug under the fence? Went around the fence? Went into the neighbour's yard instead, because he himself had such great fence? Will he claim that he uses the fence he's selling? That he uses some other fence? Is he selling anything apart from this one type of fence?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 06, 2019 4:02 pm

Will he claim that the coyote jumped the fence? He will claim the coyote jumped over a fence, yes Broke the fence? No Tipped the fence over? Dug under the fence? Went around the fence? No
Went into the neighbour's yard instead, because he himself had such great fence? Yes, this is part of what he plans to say Will he claim that he uses the fence he's selling? Yes, and it's likely that he does
That he uses some other fence? No Is he selling anything apart from this one type of fence? Probably, but he has discovered a way to hopefully sell a lot of one kind of fence...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 07, 2019 8:57 am

So he's going to say something like "I have this great fence, which I will sell to you, which keeps coyotes out. My neighbour has an inferior fence, so this coyote jumped over it, but I killed it."
And the lie is that this never happened? Because it rarely happens? Because he has no neighbour? Because he lives somewhere else than he's going to claim? Because the neighbour has a superior fence? Is he going to make it look like coyote attacks are more frequent or more dangerous than they are?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 08, 2019 5:31 pm

So he's going to say something like "I have this great fence, which I will sell to you, which keeps coyotes out. My neighbour has an inferior fence, so this coyote jumped over it, but I killed it."
Yes, this is what he plans to say.


And the lie is that this never happened? The truth is that a coyote did jump a fence but he will lie when he says that he killed it..
Because it rarely happens? Well rarely for some people
Because he has no neighbour? Oh he has neighbors, LOTS of them!

Because he lives somewhere else than he's going to claim? He will be truthful about where he lives but then immediately follow that information with the important lie
Because the neighbour has a superior fence? Yes he will say this
Is he going to make it look like coyote attacks are more frequent or more dangerous than they are?
Yes, and this is related to the lie he will tell and one other thing that actually happened
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby trebor » Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 am

Is the lie that coyotes are common (or a threat) in the area in which he resides? Is it relevant what type of residence either OH or his neighbours live in? Can coyotes jump high enough to get over he inferior fences? Can they bypass them another way? Same questions for the fencing he’s selling.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 13, 2019 2:55 pm

Is the lie that coyotes are common (or a threat) in the area in which he resides? It is a lie to say that they are common, but it is not a lie to say that they are a threat (see below).
Is it relevant what type of residence either OH or his neighbours live in? The exact type of residence is not relevant but there is one relevant aspect of both houses
Can coyotes jump high enough to get over he inferior fences? Yes, they can, and this is the threat that will be mentioned (and, because of something that has just recently happened, he will be able to prove this)
Can they bypass them another way? Unknown but not relevant
Same questions for the fencing he’s selling. No, coyotes cannot jump high enough to get over the kind of fence that he's selling, and they cannot bypass it any other way
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 14, 2019 11:32 am

Is he lying about more than the fact that they are common and the circumstances of the killing of the one in the photo? Is a recent news story relevant? Is some rome recent event relevant? Some public knowledge or belief?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 14, 2019 2:24 pm

Is he lying about more than the fact that they are common and the circumstances of the killing of the one in the photo? No, those are the two things he will be lying about
Is a recent news story relevant? Is some recent event relevant? Some public knowledge or belief? Yes to all of this
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Wed May 15, 2019 4:02 pm

Has a coyote been in the news? Are any cartoon coyotes relevant? In the news story, has a coyote jumped a fence? Killed an animal? Is he capitalizing on the fear caused by the news story? Did he cause the news story?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 15, 2019 7:20 pm

Has a coyote been in the news? Yes Are any cartoon coyotes relevant? No
In the news story, has a coyote jumped a fence? Yes, at least was in the process of doing so
Killed an animal? Possibly but not confirmed
Is he capitalizing on the fear caused by the news story? YES Did he cause the news story? No

Nearly done, just left to discover one relevant thing about the recent news story involving a coyote
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Wed May 15, 2019 10:01 pm

Was the coyote in the news story killed? Was it the same coyote he's being photographed with?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 16, 2019 2:48 pm

Was the coyote in the news story killed? No (and he's very likely going to mention this to people) Was it the same coyote he's being photographed with? No - good q
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 17, 2019 8:18 am

Did the coyote in the news story: get captured? Get away? Get seen? Photographed? Is he pretending that he's being photographed with the coyote from the news story? Is there anything special with the coyote in the news story? With the coyote he's being photographed with? Is he going to pretend to be involved in the news story?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Did the coyote in the news story: get captured? Get away? The assumption is that it got away, the purpose of the story was not so much to say what eventually happened to the coyote but to make people aware of something that it did
Get seen? Photographed? Yes to both
Is he pretending that he's being photographed with the coyote from the news story? No, he will make it clear that it's not the same one Is there anything special with the coyote in the news story? Not about the coyote itself, no, but there is something unique about what it did With the coyote he's being photographed with? No
Is he going to pretend to be involved in the news story? No, he won't make that exact claim but he will lie about one thing that is mentioned in the story (that is connected to the trip that he made)
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 17, 2019 2:36 pm

Is the thing mentioned in the story, that he will lie about, something related to: locations? Fences? Coyotes? Humans? Him? Danger?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 17, 2019 2:44 pm

Is the thing mentioned in the story, that he will lie about, something related to: locations? Fences? Coyotes? Humans? Danger? Yes, all of these are mentioned in the original story
Him? He is not mentioned in the original story. He will tell the truth about himself that relates to the main purpose of the original story, then tell a lie about that same thing that is directly related to the coyote.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm

RECAP

A man takes a trip to another man's house where a coyote has been killed. When he gets there, he has a picture taken of himself with the dead coyote (which he didn't kill). Then he returns home. He will use the photo and information from a recent news story to promote his fence sales business. The story had information about a coyote that was photographed but presumably was not captured or killed. The man will be truthful about the original story but will lie about one major thing about himself in order to get people to buy his fences. His lie relates to peoples' fear of danger from coyotes.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 20, 2019 5:33 am

Will he claim to be involved in the news story? To know more about the story than what was reported? To have suffered from coyote activity?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 20, 2019 2:45 pm

Will he claim to be involved in the news story? He will claim, truthfully, that the news story relates to him.
To know more about the story than what was reported? No, he won't have to claim this because of information contained in the story. He will present the information and photo from the original story and then tell one lie about one part of the story and one thing about himself (see below).
To have suffered from coyote activity? Yes, this is the lie he will tell about himself, that he has personally encountered and killed a coyote. He will add one lie to this information, and this lie will be directly connected to the information given in the news story.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 20, 2019 3:16 pm

Was he mentioned in the news story? Seen in the news story? Interviewed? Was the story on TV? Radio? The web? In newspapers? Relevant?
Was another person with the same name as him mentioned? With the same looks?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 20, 2019 3:45 pm

Was he mentioned in the news story? Seen in the news story? Interviewed? No to all. No people were named in the story, and there was very little information given aside from one very important and relevant item that he will use to promote his fences.
Was the story on TV? Radio? The web? This, it was circulated by social media. In newspapers? Relevant? Yes, it is helpful and relevant to know who would have seen the story, and this can be determined by discovering one important aspect of how the story was circulated.
Was another person with the same name as him mentioned? With the same looks? No, there were no people mentioned in the original story. There was a specific and relevant name in the story, but it was not the name of a person.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 20, 2019 4:08 pm

Was it the name of a fence? Fence company? Coyote? Pet? Was the story shared in a specific facebook group? A specific circle of friends? Relevant who wrote the story? Why? Was he involved in the creation of the story? Is the story entirely factual?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 20, 2019 4:15 pm

Was it the name of a fence? Fence company? Coyote? Pet? None of these
Was the story shared in a specific facebook group? YES A specific circle Yes, but... of friends? ...most of the people in the group do not know each other, there are some among the group who are friends but it's not likely that many of them know very many others among the group Relevant who wrote the story? Yes Why? Yes - the man selling fences is profiting from the reason the story was written and circulated
Was he involved in the creation of the story? No Is the story entirely factual? Yes, everything in the original story is factual, especially the one main thing included in the post.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 21, 2019 8:15 am

The name in the story: a company name? The name of a place? Of a community? Of an online community? Were the members of the group located in a specific area? Did the man post his photo in the same group?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 21, 2019 2:41 pm

The name in the story: a company name? No
The name of a place? Of a community? Yes, both the name of a town and a neighborhood are mentioned
Of an online community? This appears too, yes
Were the members of the group located in a specific area? Yes Did the man post his photo in the same group? Yes
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 21, 2019 2:49 pm

Does the man claim to be from this area? Is the man from this area? Does he claim the coyote was killed in this area? Has he pulled this kind of scam before? Will he do it again later? Relevant?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 21, 2019 3:19 pm

Does the man claim to be from this area? Is the man from this area? Yes to both
Does he claim the coyote was killed in this area? YES, that's the lie!
Has he pulled this kind of scam before? Will he do it again later? Relevant? He was motivated based on the original news post.

All that's left is to discover one relevant aspect of the photo in the original news story
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Tue May 21, 2019 3:20 pm

Was the man in that photo? Or could he reasonably claim to be? Did he dress up as someone in that photo for his own photo?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 21, 2019 4:10 pm

Was the man in that photo? Or could he reasonably claim to be? No, there were no people in the original photo.
Did he dress up as someone in that photo for his own photo? No. Both photos have things in common, but it's not people.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 8:09 am

Relevant things in common: a coyote? A fence? A location? A landscape? Is his own photo made out to look like it was taken in a different location from where it actually was? Does he place the fence he's selling in his own photo? Is the type of fence he's selling present in the news story photo? Is another type of fence present?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 2:34 pm

Relevant things in common: a coyote? A fence? Yes, both of these are in both photos A location? Not the exact same place but same type of place A landscape? No
Is his own photo made out to look like it was taken in a different location from where it actually was? No, but he will say that it was taken in a place that's not the actual location where it was taken
Does he place the fence he's selling in his own photo? No Is the type of fence he's selling present in the news story photo? No Is another type of fence present? YES, and this is very relevant
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Is this other type of fence coyote proof? Is this other type of fence used by his potential customers? Is he going to claim tha the dead coyote jumped over or otherwise bypassed the type of fence in the photo?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 3:52 pm

Is this other type of fence coyote proof? No, but everybody thought that it was!
Is this other type of fence used by his potential customers? Many of them, yes
Is he going to claim that the dead coyote jumped over or otherwise bypassed the type of fence in the photo? Yes! And it did. Something about the coyote in the original photo along with this claim will be his main selling points.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 4:10 pm

Doe he claim that the original coyote and the dead coyote is the same one? Are they actually the same one?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 4:33 pm

Doe he claim that the original coyote and the dead coyote is the same one? Are they actually the same one? They aren't the same, and nobody knows what became of the coyote in the first picture because of the situation going on when the photo was taken. He will take credit for killing the second coyote (which he didn't actually do) and then will reference something about the coyote in the first photo which also shows a fence that people believed would prevent coyotes from getting onto their property. This information will make it very easy for him to sell his kind of fence.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 4:52 pm

All that's left to discover is what the coyote in the first photo is doing that would make it very easy for this guy to sell his fences...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 8:09 pm

Is it jumping over a fence? Otherwise bypassing it? Is it on the wrong side of a fence? Is it with other animals? With fenced-in animals? Did it chase, hurt or kill any animals?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] Photo Finish

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 8:55 pm

Is it jumping over a fence? YES, at least in the process of doing this! Otherwise bypassing it? See below
Is it on the wrong side of a fence? You could say that... Is it with other animals? Very close to them, yes
With fenced-in animals? Yes Did it chase, hurt or kill any animals? Unknown...

**** SPOILER ****

The original story was primarily of a large coyote perched atop a 4 foot high fence. Someone had taken the photo when they saw the coyote jump up onto the fence around their yard. In the photo are some household pets very near where the coyote is perched. The purpose of the photo and story was to warn residents of a very large community that a coyote had been seen in the area and was a danger to household pets. Even though many residents had a 4 foot high fence, the photo showed that this was not high enough to keep coyotes out of yards. The man in the story got a call from his brother who lived in another town, he had just killed a coyote on his property. So the man drove to his brother's house and had a photo taken of himself with the dead coyote. Now, he will go back to his own town and post the photo from the original story along with his new photo, claiming that either the same coyote or another one got into his yard and he killed it before it killed his pets. The original photo will show that a 4 foot high fence is clearly not high enough to keep coyotes out, so residents should pay him to install the fences he sells which are 6 feet high and much more effective at keeping coyotes out.


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