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Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:51 pm

He was arrested because he didn't do his homework.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:50 pm

School homework? Does he do his homework regularly? Were homeworks assigned regularly (e.g. every day?)? First "he" = second "he"? Was him arrested for: not having done the homeworks? Drug? Minor crime? Murder? Illegal activities?

Homework = science assignment? (E.g. he needed to prove that a certain white dust was not drug. He did not do that so when police found the white dust he could not prove it was not drug?)

Had he done the homeworks would he not be arrested because: he would have not found himself in a certain situation? He would have proven something relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:42 pm

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School homework? Yes. Does he do his homework regularly? Irr. Were homeworks assigned regularly (e.g. every day?)? Irr. First "he" = second "he"? Yes. Was him arrested for: not having done the homeworks? No. Drug? Minor crime? No. Murder? No. Illegal activities? Yes.

Homework = science assignment? No. (E.g. he needed to prove that a certain white dust was not drug. He did not do that so when police found the white dust he could not prove it was not drug?) No, good idea though

Had he done the homeworks would he not be arrested because: he would have not found himself in a certain situation? No. He would have proven something relevant? Yope.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:21 pm

Was he actually guilty of what he was arrested for? Was he wrongfully accused? Set up?

Is he arrested for theft? Arson? Counterfeiting? Treason? Fraud?

Is the subject of the homework relevant? If so, math, English or literature, science, history, art, law, or business? If he had done the homework, would he have relevant knowledge?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:56 am

Would he have prove his innocence? Can we assume that the homeworks consist in doing exercises on books? (So writing down solutions to problems/other stuffs but just involving pen, pencil and books?) Or they were more like a project (e.g. build the model of a space shuttle/ section a frog...)? Did he care about not having done the homeworks? Did he care about being discovered in not having done his homeworks?
Was he arrested while going to school? At school? In the weekend? During school holidays? After school? Before?
Do the relevant homeworks refer to homeworks he should have done for the day/days/week before? For the actual day? For the next day/days/week? For the summer? Relevant?

Illegal acrivities concerning: school? Lies? Driving? Alchol? Weapons relevant? Theft? (E.g. had he done his homework he would have fill his bag with books and no suspect on him would have come...for instance the suspect arised for the shape of his bag...) If theft, relevant what he stole? Homeworks of others? Precious objects?
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Postby irishelk » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:08 pm

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Was he actually guilty of what he was arrested for? Yes. Was he wrongfully accused? Set up? No.

Is he arrested for theft? This is closest.Arson? Counterfeiting? Treason? Fraud? No to rest (Technically most crimes are possible, but I'm using one that works best).

Is the subject of the homework relevant? Yes. If so, math, English or literature This., science, history, art, law, or business? If he had done the homework, would he have relevant knowledge? YES.


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Would he have prove his innocence? Not really--he is guilty.Can we assume that the homeworks consist in doing exercises on books? (So writing down solutions to problems/other stuffs but just involving pen, pencil and books?) Not exactly. Or they were more like a project (e.g. build the model of a space shuttle/ section a frog...)? No. Did he care about not having done the homeworks? Not until he was arrested. Did he care about being discovered in not having done his homeworks? No.
Was he arrested while going to school? At school? In the weekend? During school holidays? After school? Before? Irr.
Do the relevant homeworks refer to homeworks he should have done for the day/days/week before? For the actual day? Is this in reference to the day that he was arrested? No. For the next day/days/week? For the summer? Relevant? Irr. to all.

Illegal acrivities concerning: school? Lies? Driving? Alchol? Weapons relevant? Theft? This is closest. (E.g. had he done his homework he would have fill his bag with books and no suspect on him would have come...for instance the suspect arised for the shape of his bag...) Not this. If theft, relevant what he stole? No... Homeworks of others? But not this. Precious objects?
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Postby gregoryuconn » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:47 am

Were they supposed to read a book? Which he kept rather than read and return? And then they arrested him for not returning it? Or did he sell/destroy the book rather than read it?

To be clear - was he arrested for theft, or something close to theft but not theft?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:49 am

Literarure relevant = english literature? Literature in general? Modern literature?18th century? Older? More recent? 19th? 20th?

Was him aware of what he had stolen (did he actually steal something?)? Did he steal a piece of art? Are statues/art relevant? Other cultures relevant? Did he make something that was considered theft in another country (but which is usually not in US or Europe for instance)?

Is it closed to theft because: he took something? He took something without permission/without asking? He broke into an house/shop? He took something that did not belong to him (and run away?)? If so relevant to who it belonged to? An important person? A writer?

Would homeworks have helped him by: preventing him from taking a relevant object? Suggesting the correct way to take an object? Suggesting the culture of the place? Avoiding that he go to a place? Avoiding to be arrested?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:48 am

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Were they supposed to read a book? Yes! Which he kept rather than read and return? No. And then they arrested him for not returning it? No. Or did he sell/destroy the book rather than read it? No/irr.

To be clear - was he arrested for theft, or something close to theft but not theft? By technical legal definition it is not "theft," but another type of stealing.


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Literarure relevant = english literature? Literature in general? Modern literature? This. 18th century? Older? More recent? 19th? 20th? And this. Actually it could be any one of many books, but you can guess if you like ^^.

Was him aware of what he had stolen (did he actually steal something?)? Yes. Did he steal a piece of art? Not relevant. Are statues/art relevant? No, other than the book. Other cultures relevant? No. Did he make something that was considered theft in another country (but which is usually not in US or Europe for instance)? No.

Is it closed to theft because: he took something? Yes. He took something without permission/without asking? Yes. He broke into an house/shop? Possibly. He took something that did not belong to him (and run away?)? Yes. If so relevant to who it belonged to? No. An important person? A writer?

Would homeworks have helped him by: preventing him from taking a relevant object? No. Suggesting the correct way to take an object? No, good thought! Suggesting the culture of the place? No. Avoiding that he go to a place? No. Avoiding to be arrested? Technically no, but this is closest.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:40 am

Had he done the homeworks, would he have avoided to be discovered? Are relevant questions being made? Relevant the way in which he was arrested? Was he seen by witnesses? By cameras? Did an alarm made noise as soon as he stole the obhect? Was there a chase? Did police break into his house? Relevant? Did he leave proves on the floor? So.erhing suggesti g the police that he was guilty? Technology relevant? Phone calls?

So he took an object and he knew to be guilty right?
Just, had he read the book he would not be arrested right? Or he would be arrested anyway but found out not guilty? Was the book about general literature? A relevant type: crime? Love story? Fantasy? Sherlock Holmes?

Relevant the object stolen?

Were there security measures that he could have avoided had he done his homeworks?
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Postby trebor » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:35 pm

Would he have learned something from the author's writing that would have benefitted him? Would he have discovered notes someone else made in the margins? Did he encounter a similar thing IRL to what a character in the book encountered?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:06 pm

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Had he done the homeworks, would he have avoided to be discovered? DOYD of "discovered." Are relevant questions being made? Yes. Relevant the way in which he was arrested? No. Was he seen by witnesses? Yes. By cameras? Assume no. Did an alarm made noise as soon as he stole the obhect? Irr. Was there a chase? No. Did police break into his house? Irr. Relevant? Did he leave proves on the floor? No. So.erhing suggesti g the police that he was guilty? Technology relevant? Phone calls? No to rest.

So he took an object and he knew to be guilty right? He knew it was illegal, yes.
Just, had he read the book he would not be arrested right? Possibly, but... Or he would be arrested anyway but found out not guilty? Probably this. Was the book about general literature? A relevant type: crime? Love story? Fantasy? Sherlock Holmes? It's a literary novel, exact subject irr.

Relevant the object stolen? No.

Were there security measures that he could have avoided had he done his homeworks? No.


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Would he have learned something from the author's writing that would have benefitted him? Yes. Would he have discovered notes someone else made in the margins? No. Did he encounter a similar thing IRL to what a character in the book encountered? No.
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Postby gregoryuconn » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:27 pm

Illegal searches and seizures relevant? Did the police illegally search him to find the evidence and if he read the book he’d know that and get it tossed out? Or at least hire a lawyer who would?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:27 am

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Illegal searches and seizures relevant? Did the police illegally search him to find the evidence and if he read the book he’d know that and get it tossed out? Or at least hire a lawyer who would? No to all.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:22 am

Did he escape? Try to escape? Did he steal something that was rent to him? Something that was on sale? Something that can be easily consumed/hidden? Did he stole to someone that was inside the house at the moment of the theft?

Would he have lied about the reason why he took the object? Would he have pretended to be someone else (e.g. an officer, the owner)? To have just borrowed the object? To have a double personality? To have been forced to steal it by someone else? To have lost himself? To work in that place? To plan a joke? To be a cleaning man?

He would not have been found guilty because: the object would not have been found? Officers would have find the object but they would have assumed that it already belonged to him? Witnesses would not have clearly recognised him? He would have pretended to have a twin? He would have ruined the object so that it appeared old? He would have hidden the object? He would have recognised the officers before they arrested him? He would have stolen the object by someone else (e.g. a crazy person, someone who was al.ost blind)? He would have pretended to have a physical disease?
Would someone else have been found guilty instead of him?

P.s. all questions with "would" refer to the situation in case he had done his homeworks.
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Postby irishelk » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:25 pm

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Did he escape? Try to escape? No. Did he steal something that was rent to him? No. Something that was on sale? No. Something that can be easily consumed/hidden? Irr. Did he stole to someone that was inside the house at the moment of the theft? He stole from people who were present, yes.

All questions with "would" refer to the situation in case he had done his homeworks.

Would he have lied about the reason why he took the object? Would he have pretended to be someone else (e.g. an officer, the owner)? To have just borrowed the object? To have a double personality? To have been forced to steal it by someone else? To have lost himself? To work in that place? To plan a joke? To be a cleaning man? No to all.

He would not have been found guilty because: the object would not have been found? Officers would have find the object but they would have assumed that it already belonged to him? Witnesses would not have clearly recognised him? He would have pretended to have a twin? He would have ruined the object so that it appeared old? He would have hidden the object? He would have recognised the officers before they arrested him? He would have stolen the object by someone else (e.g. a crazy person, someone who was al.ost blind)? He would have pretended to have a physical disease? No to all!

Would someone else have been found guilty instead of him? Possibly, irr.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:37 pm

Reliogion/culture relevant? Can we assume that he stole in his oen country? Had he done the homeworks would he have learned how to reproduce the object? How to answer specific questions? Questions on his personality? On the reason of the theft? Laws relevant? Trials? Was he judged guilty by a judge? If so, would he have been taken in front of a judge had he done the homeworks?

Is definition of "being guilty" relevant? Is someone considered guilty simply if a) witnesses see the deed and the stolen object is found in his/her possession? If b) he/she is a stranger and a) is valid? If sufficient proves against him are accumulated? If a tribunal judges him guilty? Is the language spoken relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:25 am

Did he know he was stealing? If he had done his homework, would he: not steal? Steal something else? Steal in a different way? Avoid arrest? Relevant how long after the theft he was arrested? Where he was arrested? Would doing his homework help with: the theft not being discovered? Not reported? Him not being arrested? Framing someone else? Discovery being delayed? Reporting of the theft being delayed? An arrest order being delayed? Being incorrect? Being mislaid or misrouted?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:38 pm

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Reliogion/culture relevant? An aspect of culture, yes. Can we assume that he stole in his oen country? Yes. Had he done the homeworks would he have learned how to reproduce the object? No. How to answer specific questions? Yes. Questions on his personality? On the reason of the theft? Laws relevant? Trials? No to these. Was he judged guilty by a judge? Irr, but quite possibly. If so, would he have been taken in front of a judge had he done the homeworks? No.

Is definition of "being guilty" relevant? Not really. Is someone considered guilty simply if a) witnesses see the deed This is true in this case. and the stolen object is found in his/her possession? This is not. If b) he/she is a stranger He is a stranger to the witnesses, yes. and a) is valid? If sufficient proves against him are accumulated? If a tribunal judges him guilty? Is the language spoken relevant? No/irr to rest.


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Did he know he was stealing? Yes. If he had done his homework, would he: not steal? Steal something else? Steal in a different way? Avoid arrest? This.
Relevant how long after the theft he was arrested? No. Where he was arrested? Yope--might help. Would doing his homework help with: the theft not being discovered? Not reported? Him not being arrested? This (or if he was arrested, he'd have been quickly released). Framing someone else? Discovery being delayed? Reporting of the theft being delayed? An arrest order being delayed? Being incorrect? Being mislaid or misrouted? No to rest.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:59 pm

Ok so I think we are kind of going around the obstacle...so I'll go straight to the point.

Would he have been released because: he would have declared to be ill? To suffer from some disease? To belong to a minority? To do the interests of Governament? To be a turist? To have regularly paid the object? To rescue a debt? To be ready to atone in another way? To revenge himself from the owner of the object? To be in an emergency situation?

Would someone else being arrested instead of him? Would the stealing act have been forgiven? Would the object have been recovered and taken back to the original owner? Would a guilty have been found? Would he have appealed to some law? Would he have atoned for the crime in another way? E.g. self humiliation, formal excuses, paying a fine?
Would anyone else having acted according to what the novel suggests have been released quickly as well?

Avoid arrest in the sense that he would have been stopped, asked relevant questions and then released before being brought to jail? Are these kind of questions asket often after an arrest? To the accused?
Is the country USA? Indian country? Was him arrested by police? Was it usual to steal in that country? Relevant where he stole? Was something declared to be "for free"? Was it the first th
Ime that he stole? That he stole in that place? Relevant? Had the place an owner? Are vending machines relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:38 pm

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Ok so I think we are kind of going around the obstacle...so I'll go straight to the point. I love it.

Would he have been released because: he would have declared to be ill? To suffer from some disease? To belong to a minority? To do the interests of Governament? To be a turist? To have regularly paid the object? To rescue a debt? To be ready to atone in another way? To revenge himself from the owner of the object? To be in an emergency situation? No to all.

Would someone else being arrested instead of him? Possibly, irr. Would the stealing act have been forgiven? No. Would the object have been recovered and taken back to the original owner? No. Would a guilty have been found? Irr. Would he have appealed to some law? Noish. Would he have atoned for the crime in another way? No. E.g. self humiliation, formal excuses, paying a fine?
Would anyone else having acted according to what the novel suggests have been released quickly as well? No, FA lurking.

Avoid arrest in the sense that he would have been stopped, asked relevant questions and then released before being brought to jail? Yes. My original idea is that he would have a conversation with an officer and then allowed to go on his way. If he was briefly arrested, he would have been released after questioning (if he'd done his homework).
Are these kind of questions asked often after an arrest? Not the exact relevant question he was asked, no. To the accused?

Is the country USA? Assume yes. Indian country? Could be...I think. Was him arrested by police? Yes. Was it usual to steal in that country? Irr--it was illegal. Relevant where he stole? No. Was something declared to be "for free"? No.

Was it the first time that he stole? That he stole in that place? Relevant? Had the place an owner? Are vending machines relevant? No/irr to rest.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:27 pm

Was him asked: to do something relevant? something related to the theft? A favor? If he knows his rights? if he smoked? If he had been injured? If he drinks? Something related to his physical appearence? How he knew something relevant? If he liked something? Something related to the book? Libraries relevant? Sport? School? Food? Hobby? Music? Entertainment?

Was the question subtle (e.g. it seemed an innocent question but it verifed his alibi/his drfrnsr)? Was the aim of the question to understand if he was guilty or not? Was the question directed to him? To another officer? (E.g. as a WAG I would say that he would have been able to reply to another police officer according to their rules/code if conduct and free himself. I am imagining that the officer asking the question is not able to see the one replying.)

Was a bet made? An agreement? (E.g. had he answered to a relevant question he would have been released?) Was the novel the favorite novel of an officer?

Did he use the fact that he was studying as an alibi? Did police interrogate him on the book? Was someone else witnessing in his favor?

By answering the question: would he have signaled his innocence? His belonging to a relevant group? The impossibility of the deed? The fact that no object had been stolen?
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Did he misunderstand a question that he was asked? And if so, would he have understood it if he’d read his homework? Is a particular book relevant?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:19 pm

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Was him asked: to do something relevant? Yesish. something related to the theft? Not directly. A favor? If he knows his rights? if he smoked? If he had been injured? If he drinks? Something related to his physical appearence? No to rest.
How he knew something relevant? No, but close. If he liked something? No. Something related to the book? Indirectly, yes. Libraries relevant? Sport? School? Food? Hobby? Music? Entertainment? This.

Was the question subtle Not exactly, but I'd say it was clever. (e.g. it seemed an innocent question but it verifed his alibi No! Explore. /his drfrnsr)? Was the aim of the question to understand if he was guilty or not? Yes. Was the question directed to him? Yes. To another officer? (E.g. as a WAG I would say that he would have been able to reply to another police officer according to their rules/code if conduct and free himself. I am imagining that the officer asking the question is not able to see the one replying.) Not this.

Was a bet made? An agreement? (E.g. had he answered to a relevant question he would have been released?) Was the novel the favorite novel of an officer? No to rest.

Did he use the fact that he was studying as an alibi? No, but... Did police interrogate him on the book? Not exactly, but OTRT. Was someone else witnessing in his favor? No.

By answering the question: would he have signaled his innocence? Not all by itself, but it would have supported his innocence. His belonging to a relevant group? No. The impossibility of the deed? Along these lines. The fact that no object had been stolen? No.


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Did he misunderstand a question that he was asked? No. And if so, would he have understood it if he’d read his homework? Is a particular book relevant? I had one in mind, but it could be any one of many books.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:32 am

Did he ask him: what he had read recently? If he loves to read? What is his favorite book? Where he used to study/do his homeworks? If he reads for fun or for duty (e.g. homework)? What he used as bookmark? How heavy/long was a book?

Did he have the book relevantly with him? If so, was it new? Still packed in plastic? Did he reply wrongly to the question? Did he reply at all? If not, does this suggest that he was guilty?

Did he tell the police that he had read something relevant in the book? That he had stolen as a part of his homeworks? (E.g. maybe he read just part of the book and not another relevant part) because of something he read?

WAG --> did he pretend to have lost the stolen object from the inside of the book (e.g. he used it as a bookmark) but, because he did not do his homeworks the book was still packed in plastic?
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Postby irishelk » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:55 am

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Did he ask him: what he had read recently? If he loves to read? What is his favorite book? Where he used to study/do his homeworks? If he reads for fun or for duty (e.g. homework)? What he used as bookmark? How heavy/long was a book? No to all.

Did he have the book relevantly with him? No. If so, was it new? Still packed in plastic?
Did he reply wrongly to the question? Yes, or...Did he reply at all? This is also possible. If not, does this suggest that he was guilty? Yes!

Did he tell the police that he had read something relevant in the book? No. That he had stolen as a part of his homeworks? (E.g. maybe he read just part of the book and not another relevant part) because of something he read? No, but that would be interesting homework!

WAG --> did he pretend to have lost the stolen object from the inside of the book (e.g. he used it as a bookmark) but, because he did not do his homeworks the book was still packed in plastic? No, good guess.

Actually, I do remember that in a high school psych class we were encouraged to do a "social experiment," and one classmate's plan involved shoplifting and then telling the employees it was "just for an experiment" to gauge their reaction. I don't think his study was approved. :lol:
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Was him asked a question about homeworks in general? About 20th century novels? Was the police somehow connected with the school of the guy? Was the question's aim just to verify that he had done the homeworks? If he knows the content of the book? If he had ever something to do with the book? Did police want to verify if he rent the book from a library?

If the question was not properly on the book, was it about books at all? Does it mean that it was not on the content of the book?

Did police know that he had homeworks to do? That the homeworks involved reading the book? Legal age relevant? Cover of the book relevant? Title?
Was the policeman a parent of one of his mates? To be sure: can we assume that the book was in english?
Did the police know that someone not having done his homeworks had stolen the object? Did they made the question basing on something that he said before? About the book? About the homeworks? Did he take fine from his teacher for not having done the homeworks and lost his diary in the place of crime?
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Postby irishelk » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:39 am

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Was him asked a question about homeworks in general? No. About 20th century novels? Noish, but explore. Was the police somehow connected with the school of the guy? No. Was the question's aim just to verify that he had done the homeworks? If he knows the content of the book? Noish, but explore. If he had ever something to do with the book? Did police want to verify if he rent the book from a library? No to rest.

If the question was not properly on the book, was it about books at all? Not directly, no. Does it mean that it was not on the content of the book? It sort of was!

Did police know that he had homeworks to do? No. That the homeworks involved reading the book? Legal age relevant? Cover of the book relevant? Title? No to all (except that there are some books it could not be--but you don't have to figure out which it is).
Was the policeman a parent of one of his mates? No. To be sure: can we assume that the book was in english? Yes, though it doesn't have to be.
Did the police know that someone not having done his homeworks had stolen the object? No. Did they made the question basing on something that he said before? Yes. About the book? Not directly. About the homeworks? No. Did he take fine from his teacher for not having done the homeworks and lost his diary in the place of crime? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:33 pm

Something he said before about: where he found himself at the time of the theft? Entertainment? The fact that the alarm went on when he passed? A medical condition that he has? His hobbies? Cinema? Music? Food? Technology? Internet? His habits? His parents? School? Novels? Books? Girlfriend?

Question about entertainment: cinema? Movies? Reading? Amousement parks? Video games? Going to the beach? Relaxing? Running? Play with dogs? Zoo? Going to a relevant place? Collectionism? Museums/art? Clothing/shopping? Theater? Tv? Technology/laptops? What teens of his age usually do? Girls? Relationships?

Content of the book relevant at all? Does the police know about the novel? Its content? Did the police make him a question that was made also in the book? And the right answer was in the book? Was the question inspired by the book though the police does not know? Does the police expect an answer to the question?

Answer expected not to arrest him = "I will do it"? "I cannot do it"? I refuse to do it"? "Yes"? No? I am not interested in this kind of things? It is impossible for me to do so? I have already done this?

Cinema transposition of the novel relevant? If he knows when an event took place? They asked him to do something with the stolen object?
They asked him if he wanted to take part to an event? To present them someone? To call someone? To play with someone?

Use of words relevant? Knowledge of some words usually used in 20th century novels? Spelling? Grammar?
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby irishelk » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:43 am

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Something he said before about: where he found himself at the time of the theft? Yes. Entertainment? Yes. The fact that the alarm went on when he passed? A medical condition that he has? His hobbies? Cinema? Yes. Music? Food? Technology? Internet? His habits? His parents? School? Novels? Books? Girlfriend? No to rest.

Question about entertainment: cinema? Yes. Movies? So yes. Reading? Amousement parks? Video games? Going to the beach? Relaxing? Running? Play with dogs? Zoo? Going to a relevant place? Collectionism? Museums/art? Clothing/shopping? Theater? Tv? Technology/laptops? What teens of his age usually do? Do teens still go to movies? They might be too busy flossing and Fortniteing :lol: Girls? Relationships? No to rest.

Content of the book relevant at all? Yes. Does the police know about the novel? Possibly. Its content? Yes. Did the police make him a question that was made also in the book? Was the question in the book? No. And the right answer was in the book? Yes. Was the question inspired by the book though the police does not know? This is possible, though it is likely the police are at least aware the book exists. Does the police expect an answer to the question? Yes.

Answer expected not to arrest him = "I will do it"? "I cannot do it"? I refuse to do it"? "Yes"? No? I am not interested in this kind of things? It is impossible for me to do so? I have already done this? No to all.

Cinema transposition of the novel relevant? Yes! If he knows when an event took place? No. They asked him to do something with the stolen object? No.

They asked him if he wanted to take part to an event? To present them someone? To call someone? To play with someone?
Use of words relevant? Knowledge of some words usually used in 20th century novels? Spelling? Grammar? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:02 pm

So he said he went to cinema. Was the movie about the novel at the cinema at that time? Was it the only movie at cinema? Can we assume so? Or maybe he said he had gone to see the movie about the novel?

Did police asked him if he likes a specific part of the movie? If something was included in the movie? The differences with the written novel? Which actress/actor interpreted a relevant charachter?
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby trebor » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 pm

Did his answer to the question indicate confusion? Was it a question that someone who had read the book and seen the movie could answer accurately? Someone who had only read the book? Was it a loaded or leading question designed to trip him up?
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby irishelk » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:07 pm

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So he said he went to cinema. Yes. Was the movie about the novel at the cinema at that time? Yes. Was it the only movie at cinema? Can we assume so? Irr. Or maybe he said he had gone to see the movie about the novel? Yes.

Did police asked him if he likes a specific part of the movie? No. If something was included in the movie? Yope. The differences with the written novel? No. Which actress/actor interpreted a relevant charachter? No.


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Did his answer to the question indicate confusion? Possibly. Was it a question that someone who had read the book and seen the movie could answer accurately? Yes. Someone who had only read the book? Yes. Was it a loaded or leading question designed to trip him up? Not really. It was a test, but a fair question.
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:23 pm

Is it relevant to discover exactly what the police asked if it was included or not? I mean, which part of the novel?

Something that someone who knows the story but has not read rhe novel/seen it at the cinema could not answer? The beginning? The end? The central part? Something about a charachter? A dialogue? Was the question a test: e.g. they asked info about a charachter calling him/her by name. He began to lie about the charachter as if he/she was a human but instead it was an animal...

To be sure, was there a movie representation of the novel at the cinema?
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:03 am

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Is it relevant to discover exactly what the police asked if it was included or not? I mean, which part of the novel? Yes--see below.

Something that someone who knows the story but has not read rhe novel/seen it at the cinema could not answer? No... The beginning? The end? Yes! The central part? Something about a charachter? A dialogue?
Was the question a test: e.g. they asked info about a charachter calling him/her by name. He began to lie about the charachter as if he/she was a human but instead it was an animal... Not exactly like this.

To be sure, was there a movie representation of the novel at the cinema? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby Earnest » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:37 am

Was it an open end? (E.g. it was left to the interpretation of the reader/viewer) Was it an "and they all lived happily" ending? A tragic one (e.g. murder/death of someone..)? Last words of someone? Was the end of the novel misterious (e.g. several endings/ several interpretations of the ending and the police was curious about the one chosen in the movie)? Did the police know that the question was about the end of the novel (assuming that the end of the novel coincides with the end of the movie, is it correct?) ? (e.g. they just saw a misterious charachter on the billboard that advertised the movie and asked him who he/she was and he/she appeared just at the end of the movie) Has the police saw the trailer on tv? An advertisement of the movie?

Was the question simply "how does the movie end up"? "Who is the winner"? "Does he marry her"? "Do they fall in love"?

Was the movie the sequel of another movie?
Was the novel too long so that it was divided into two halves and the police was curious about "at which point the story was interrupted"?
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:01 pm

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Was it an open end? (E.g. it was left to the interpretation of the reader/viewer) Was it an "and they all lived happily" ending? A tragic one (e.g. murder/death of someone..)? This, but irr. Last words of someone? Was the end of the novel misterious (e.g. several endings/ several interpretations of the ending and the police was curious about the one chosen in the movie)?
Did the police know that the question was about the end of the novel (assuming that the end of the novel coincides with the end of the movie, is it correct?) ? (e.g. they just saw a misterious charachter on the billboard that advertised the movie and asked him who he/she was and he/she appeared just at the end of the movie) Irr, but they probably know. Has the police saw the trailer on tv? An advertisement of the movie? Irr.

Was the question simply "how does the movie end up"? Yes! "Who is the winner"? "Does he marry her"? "Do they fall in love"?

Was the movie the sequel of another movie? No.
Was the novel too long so that it was divided into two halves and the police was curious about "at which point the story was interrupted"? Not what I was thinking, but this would work equally well.
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby trebor » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:27 pm

Does the movie end differently than the book does? Had he actually watched the movie? Was being at the movie his alibi? Does he tell police how the movie ends? How the book ends? Does he say it ends the same as the book? Is he unable to tell them the ending of the movie because he wasn't there, and if he'd have read the book he'd have known how it ended?
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport

Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:18 pm

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Does the movie end differently than the book does? No. Had he actually watched the movie? No. Was being at the movie his alibi? Yes! Does he tell police how the movie ends? No. How the book ends? Does he say it ends the same as the book? Is he unable to tell them the ending of the movie because he wasn't there, and if he'd have read the book he'd have known how it ended? Exactly.


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An armed robbery occurs, and because Our Hero matches eyewitness descriptions, police question him. He says was watching a screening of The Great Gatsby at the time. He has the ticket stub, and theater employees confirm he entered the theater. Everything seems to be in order and they are about to release him, but then one clever detective realizes that the robbery happened near the end of the screening. He asks, "Hey, how did that movie end, anyway?" OH has no idea, because in fact he had left the theater shortly after the film began, to commit the armed robbery a few blocks away.

If only he had done his homework in 11th grade and read the novel The Great Gatsby--he would have had the answer ready!
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport {BORNE BACK CEASELESSLY}

Postby Earnest » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:16 am

Clever one!
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport {BORNE BACK CEASELESSLY}

Postby trebor » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:32 am

I just realized the significance of the title. Nice.
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Re: [IrishElk] Old Sport {BORNE BACK CEASELESSLY}

Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:40 pm

Thank you! Funnily enough, I was just reading back through the old, old text adventure I did on this site ten whole years ago (as Gourami), and I see I used the Great Gatsby and even "old sport" as a clue in that one, too! So my cultural references are stuck around 1925. Cool.
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