[invisiblemimsy] What Katy Did

[invisiblemimsy]

Katy has a job that is controversial. When asked what she does, she tells people she’s a surgeon. Laterally, this is true-ish. Sometimes she expands on this if she’s had a drink or three and people seem nice, and some folks laugh and some are just confused. What does she really do, and why isn’t she truthful?

[Earnest]

So can we say that she does not work in health care at all? Nor in science/biology/medicine related fields? Does she enter in operating rooms? As a professional? As a patient? Relevant which is her actual job? Related to food? Hotels? Restaurants? Health care? Hygene? Education? Toy development? Technology? Internet?Entertainment? (e.g. she entertain children playing the role of a crazy surgeon with a costume?) Actress? Student? Music relevant? Weapons? Cleaning? Autopsy? Death bodies?

Is she entitled to call herself a surgeon? Is a pun involved? Had she relevantly undergone tons of operations (so that she became expert of the field)? Did she work as a secretary for a surgeon faking herself to be the surgeon when necessary (e.g. taking part to boring conferences)?

Relevant carachteristics of surgeon's job related to her job: precsion? Patience? Cut and sewing? Deal with operations in general? True operations? Deal with alive human being (or animals)? With human being needing a cure? Needing an operation? Does she buy/deal with surgeon instruments (e.g. scalpel...)?

Had she wanted could she had defined herself other ways than surgeon? If so: doctor? Chef? Entertainer? Actress? Musician? Policeman? Cleaning lady? Secretary? Hostess? Seller? Others?

Isn't she truthful because: she could not (e.g. is illegal, top secret...)? Is embarassing? Too long to explain? It could not be well perceived by the listener? Not appropriate during a normal conversation? She wanted to let the listener think he/she deal with someone important? It was really the best way to summarize her job? She wants to avoid something to happen (e.g. further questions, people thinking negativelt about her?)? She wants something to happen? (E.g. people asking her specific questions? See people's reaction? Protect herself?) Did she say so just if asked? If asked during a conversation? By a man? Alsp by women?
Is her job related to news? War?

[invisiblemimsy]

So can we say that she does not work in health care at all? Correct Nor in science this /biology/medicine related fields? Does she enter in operating rooms? As a professional? As a patient? Relevant which is her actual job? Related to food? this Hotels? Restaurants? Health care? Hygene? Education? Toy development? Technology? Internet?Entertainment? (e.g. she entertain children playing the role of a crazy surgeon with a costume?) Actress? Student? Music relevant? Weapons? Cleaning? Autopsy? Death bodies? no to the rest

Is she entitled to call herself a surgeon? no Is a pun involved? not strictly a pun, but word-play is involved Had she relevantly undergone tons of operations (so that she became expert of the field)? Did she work as a secretary for a surgeon faking herself to be the surgeon when necessary (e.g. taking part to boring conferences)? no to all

Relevant carachteristics of surgeon's job related to her job: precsion? yes Patience? Cut yes and sewing? Deal with operations in general? True operations? Deal with alive human being (or animals)? With human being needing a cure? Needing an operation? Does she buy/deal with surgeon instruments (e.g. scalpel... this)?

Had she wanted could she had defined herself other ways than surgeon? yes If so: doctor? Chef? Entertainer? Actress? Musician? Policeman? Cleaning lady? Secretary? Hostess? Seller? none of these Others? yes

Isn't she truthful because: she could not (e.g. is illegal, top secret...)? Is embarassing? this Too long to explain? It could not be well perceived by the listener? yes Not appropriate during a normal conversation? She wanted to let the listener think he/she deal with someone important? It was really the best way to summarize her job? She wants to avoid something to happen yes (e.g. further questions, people thinking negativelt about her?)? yes She wants something to happen? (E.g. people asking her specific questions? See people's reaction? Protect herself?) no Did she say so just if asked? no, she would always avoid telling people her actual job If asked during a conversation? By a man? Alsp by women? irr
Is her job related to news? news is relevant but her job is not directly related to it War? OTRT

[Earnest]

So war is relevant? Military? Army? Poisonous food?Others? Does she cook food? Use it in another way? Work with food? Relevantly modify it? Cut it? Serve it? Eat it? Is her job a common job? Chemistry relevant? Food quality check? Does she deal with food when food is still in the form row material/ingredient for receipts/not yet been cooked/ not yet been bought? Trash? Food after a relevant elaborations (e.g. food on shelves of supermarkets)? Does she work as a food tester? Does she work just with certain types of food? Allergies relevant? Vegetables? Mushrooms? Fruit? Meat? Fish? Desserts? Junk food? Sushi? Ethnic food? Others?

Does she use scalpel as part of her job? To cut food? Is her embarassment justified by: her qualification with respect to the job she performs? her working conditions? The way she performs her job? What she does with food? What her customers do with food?

Is precision required in her job? Is scalpel? Or she is putting more effort than necessary? Does she put food on dishes? Are astronauts relevant? Food for astronauts?

WAG --> is she one of those models whose job is to lie horizontally and over which people eat?...I know it's strange but they do actually exist as I learned in a previous puzzle

[GalFisk]

Does she cut: humans? Animals? Objects? Meat? Plants?

[invisiblemimsy]

So war is relevant? yesish Military? Army? Poisonous food?Others? Does she cook food? Use it in another way? Work with food? yes Relevantly modify it? Cut it? yes Serve it? Eat it? Is her job a common job? Chemistry relevant? yes Food quality check? yes Does she deal with food when food is still in the form row material yes /ingredient for receipts/ no not yet been cooked/ not yet been bought? yes Trash? Food after a relevant elaborations (e.g. food on shelves of supermarkets)? no, but... Does she work as a food tester? yes Does she work just with certain types of food? yes Allergies relevant? Vegetables? Mushrooms? Fruit? yes Meat? Fish? Desserts? Junk food? Sushi? Ethnic food? Others? no to the rest

Does she use scalpel as part of her job? yes To cut food? yes Is her embarassment justified by: her qualification with respect to the job she performs? her working conditions? The way she performs her job? What she does with food? What her customers do with food? no to these

Is precision required in her job? yes Is scalpel? yes Or she is putting more effort than necessary? Does she put food on dishes? Are astronauts relevant? Food for astronauts?

WAG --> is she one of those models whose job is to lie horizontally and over which people eat?...I know it's strange but they do actually exist as I learned in a previous puzzle no to the rest

[invisiblemimsy]

Does she cut: humans? Animals? Objects? Meat? Plants? this

[trebor]

Is the specific fruit relevant? If so, apple? Orange? Another citrus fruit? Pear? Lemon? Lime? Peach? Nectarine? Plum?

Does telling people her job involve using a phrase that has another meaning? Such as if you were a cheese slicer and your job was to cut the cheese? is The fruit she works with also a wartime term for certain people, like limeys for the British or krauts for Germans?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is the specific fruit relevant? Not really, but... If so, apple? yes Orange? Another citrus fruit? Pear? yes Lemon? Lime? Peach? yes Nectarine? yes Plum? yes

Does telling people her job involve using a phrase that has another meaning? Such as if you were a cheese slicer and your job was to cut the cheese? yes is The fruit she works with also a wartime term for certain people, like limeys for the British or krauts for Germans? no, BUWT

[GalFisk]

Is she making food? Cutting out blemishes? Is the fruit damaged before she cuts it? Is it still on the plant? Is her work considered deceptive? Redundant? Cruel? Stupid? Driven by greed? Silly? Wasteful? Evil? Environmentally damaging? Pointlessly bureaucratic?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is she making food? Cutting out blemishes? Is the fruit damaged before she cuts it? Is it still on the plant? Is her work considered deceptive? Redundant? Cruel? Stupid? Driven by greed? Silly? Wasteful? Evil? Environmentally damaging? Pointlessly bureaucratic? no or irr to all

[Earnest]

Does she look for something inside the fruit? Does she practice deep cuts? Do the cuts result in fruit been sliced in more pieces? Juice relevant? Seeds? Does she throw off seeds from the fruit (e.g. to replant them? To analyse them? To see if the plant is ill others?) ? Is chemical tractations of fruit relevant? Genetical modifications on fruit? Plant irrigation relevant? (E.g. she was trying to see if common fruit could grow in deserts)

If a plant produced 10 fruits, does she cut them all? Just 1 or 2? Does she check fruits coming from the same trees/plants every time? Does she cure plants?

[GalFisk]

Is her work agricultural? Medical? Scientific? Does she work for a controversial company or entity? Is the work controversial because she's not making food? Is she working with turning crops into fuel? Fertilizer? Is she working out the best way to damage fruit? To make it inedible? To remove the seeds so that the buyers cannot grow their own?

[trebor]

What does BUWT mean?

[GalFisk]

Barking up the wrong tree

[invisiblemimsy]

Does she look for something inside the fruit? yes but irr Does she practice deep cuts? Do the cuts result in fruit been sliced in more pieces? Juice relevant? Seeds? Does she throw off seeds from the fruit (e.g. to replant them? To analyse them? yes To see if the plant is ill others?) ? Is chemical tractations of fruit relevant? Genetical modifications on fruit? Plant irrigation relevant? (E.g. she was trying to see if common fruit could grow in deserts) some are yes, some no, but all irr to the puzzle

If a plant produced 10 fruits, does she cut them all? no Just 1 or 2? yes Does she check fruits coming from the same trees/plants every time? not the same actual trees, but the same types of fruit trees every time Does she cure plants? no

[invisiblemimsy]

Is her work agricultural? Medical? Scientific? this Does she work for a controversial company or entity? yes Is the work controversial because she's not making food? Is she working with turning crops into fuel? Fertilizer? Is she working out the best way to damage fruit? To make it inedible? To remove the seeds so that the buyers cannot grow their own? no to all

[Earnest]

water pollution relevant? Pollution in general? Weapons? Does she analyze what death people has eaten?
Relevant the kind of analyses she performs? analysis on the fruit? on something related to the fruit? Does fruit modify itself relevantly?

Do people eating such fruit often go in operation rooms? Deal with surgeons?

[invisiblemimsy]

water pollution relevant? Pollution in general? Weapons? Does she analyze what death people has eaten? no
Relevant the kind of analyses she performs? analysis on the fruit? yes on something related to the fruit? no Does fruit modify itself relevantly? no

Do people eating such fruit often go in operation rooms? no Deal with surgeons? no

[Earnest]

Searching for particular chemical elements? Relevant which? Did she make analysis on rotten fruit?

Is fruit meant to be eaten by someone relevantly? Is fruit part of the industry's process of work?

[invisiblemimsy]

Searching for particular chemical elements? no Relevant which? Did she make analysis on rotten fruit? N/R

Is fruit meant to be eaten by someone relevantly? the public Is fruit part of the industry's process of work? not sure what you mean by this

[GalFisk]

Pesticides relevant? Pests? GMO? Is she taking samples? Removing relevant parts? Adding anything to the fruit? Preservatives relevant? Aritficial ripening?

[invisiblemimsy]

Pesticides relevant? Pests? GMO? Is she taking samples? yes Removing relevant parts? Adding anything to the fruit? Preservatives relevant? Aritficial ripening? no to the rest

[Earnest]

Does her work protect consumers? Make the interests of the company without caring of the health of consumers?

Is the fruit relevantly sold: dried? In bulk? Mixed with other ingredients in a receipt? Canned fruit? With other chemical elements?

Does she need to cut the fruit in a precise part? Or it can work also if cut in 2 halves for instance? Does the cut need to be very precise? If so, is weight relevant? Water retention? Is the aspect of the fruit relevant at all? Does she: add something to the fruit? Just analyse it? See the reaction with other chemicals?

When cutting the fruit: does she look inside it? Does she analyse the cut part? Does she eat some fruit? Does she look for something? Is color of the fruit relevant? Does she use a microscope? Another relevant tool? Does she work with gown? Gloves? Microscope? Relevant? If photographed can she easily be exchanged for a surgeon? Relevant?

[invisiblemimsy]

Does her work protect consumers? irrel Make the interests of the company yes without caring of the health of consumers? irrel

Is the fruit relevantly sold: dried? no, fresh In bulk? either Mixed with other ingredients in a receipt? Canned fruit? With other chemical elements? no

Does she need to cut the fruit in a precise part? Or it can work also if cut in 2 halves for instance? Does the cut need to be very precise? If so, is weight relevant? Water retention? Is the aspect of the fruit relevant at all? Does she: add something to the fruit? Just analyse it? See the reaction with other chemicals? All these are part of what she does

When cutting the fruit: does she look inside it? Does she analyse the cut part? Does she eat some fruit? Does she look for something? Is color of the fruit relevant? Does she use a microscope? yes to all these Another relevant tool? scalpel Does she work with gown? Gloves? Microscope? Relevant? yes to all these If photographed can she easily be exchanged for a surgeon? Yes, if you didn't see all the fruit on the table! Relevant? It's relevant to her claim in the bar. Her workmates know exactly what she does anyway.

[Earnest]

Does her work help the firm: to sell more? to circumvent some law? To give the fruit sold by the firm a distinctive taste? A distinctive trait? A plus with respect to competitors?

Is it important how the fruit tastes in her job? Does the firm sell fruit by weight relevantly? Does it purchase fruit by weight relevantly? When looking inside the fruit does she want to see: if there is something relevant? The seeds? If there is not something relevant? Is quality of the soil where trees are planted relevant? irrigation? Has the firm some suppliers relevantly? If so, had the firm its own greenhouses/fields/plants, would her have been necessary?

War relevant because: price of food increases during wars? Because she deals with soldiers? The firm exports to firms in enemies' countries? If so relevant the mean of transport used? Airplane? Cargo? Train? Is the food exposed to high pressures/relevant chemical conditions (cold? hot? Others?)? Expiration relevant?

Relevant the place where plants producing the fruit are located? Do any firm selling fruit have a figure with her job in inside? If so, just in war times? Always? By law? Is religion relevant? Culture? Kosher food? Insects inside the fruit? Source of the fruit? Are experiments relevant?

Isn't she truthful because had people known what her job is, a scandal would have happened? They would have eaten less fruit? Less fruit of her firm?

If she detects something wrong with fruit, is the fruit sold anyway?

[trebor]

Does she work for a grocer/grocery company? For a fruit company?

Is the primary focus of her job to do with improving the shelf life of the fruit? Making it more appealing (pardon the pun) to consumers? Is she trying to find ways of improving its colour? Taste? Vitamin content? Coming up with new fruits? Cross-breeding fruit?

[invisiblemimsy]

Does her work help the firm: to sell more? to circumvent some law? To give the fruit sold by the firm a distinctive taste? A distinctive trait? A plus with respect to competitors? all irrel

Is it important how the fruit tastes in her job? yes Does the firm sell fruit by weight relevantly? Does it purchase fruit by weight relevantly? When looking inside the fruit does she want to see: if there is something relevant? The seeds? If there is not something relevant? Is quality of the soil where trees are planted relevant? irrigation? Has the firm some suppliers relevantly? yes If so, had the firm its own greenhouses/fields/plants, would her have been necessary? no/irrel to the rest

War relevant because: price of food increases during wars? Because she deals with soldiers? The firm exports to firms in enemies' countries? If so relevant the mean of transport used? Airplane? Cargo? Train? Is the food exposed to high pressures/relevant chemical conditions (cold? hot? Others?)? Expiration relevant? none of these

Relevant the place where plants producing the fruit are located? yes Do any firm selling fruit have a figure with her job in inside? If so, just in war times? Always? By law? Is religion relevant? Culture? Kosher food? Insects inside the fruit? Source of the fruit? this Are experiments relevant? yes, experimenting/testing fruit is her job, basically

Isn't she truthful because had people known what her job is, a scandal would have happened? not a scandal, but they would have reacted very negatively, and she may have been ostracised They would have eaten less fruit? Less fruit of her firm? they likely ate less fruit from her firm already

If she detects something wrong with fruit, is the fruit sold anyway?irrel

[invisiblemimsy]

Does she work for a grocer/grocery company? For a fruit company? this

Is the primary focus of her job to do with improving the shelf life of the fruit? Making it more appealing (pardon the pun) to consumers? Is she trying to find ways of improving its colour? Taste? Vitamin content? all these, but NR Coming up with new fruits? Cross-breeding fruit?

[Earnest]

Human labor exploitation relevant? Hygene? Pollution of the soil? Fertilisation of soil relevant? Amazonia? Brasil? Africa? China? Asian countries? Slavery relevant?

Do the suppliers have sanity rules? Were the suppliers located in a poor country? In the same country as the firm? In a country where there was war? Do the suppliers cultivate the fruit and then supply it to the company? If so, according to the rules of the coubtry where the fruit comoany was located/ where Katy worked? Or maybe they take the fruit from population/have other sources than their own cultivations? (E.g. they take possetion of cargos)

Is her company known for some scandal? Is the fruit sold by the company normally sold in supermarkets? To final consumers? E.g. in the form of small snacks?

they likely ate less fruit from her firm already  --> for ethical reasons? Because they do not like it? Because the fruit dies not arrive to final consumers? For healthy reasons (it is known for being unhealthy?)? For quality reasons? Does the fruit handled by katy taste as normal fruit? Does she want it to taste as normal fruit? Is "mixing species of fruit" relevant?

[trebor]

Does she work for Dole? Being on the dole relevant?

[invisiblemimsy]

Human labor exploitation relevant? yes Hygene? Pollution of the soil? Fertilisation of soil relevant? Amazonia? Brasil? Africa? yes China? Asian countries? Slavery relevant? no, but extreme treatment etc

Do the suppliers have sanity rules? Were the suppliers located in a poor country? yes and no In the same country as the firm? yes In a country where there was war? Do the suppliers cultivate the fruit and then supply it to the company? yes If so, according to the rules of the coubtry where the fruit comoany was located yes / where Katy worked? but no Or maybe they take the fruit from population/have other sources than their own cultivations? (E.g. they take possetion of cargos)

Is her company known for some scandal? yes Is the fruit sold by the company normally sold in supermarkets? yes but irrel To final consumers? E.g. in the form of small snacks?

they likely ate less fruit from her firm already  --> for ethical reasons? yes Because they do not like it? Because the fruit dies not arrive to final consumers? For healthy reasons (it is known for being unhealthy?)? For quality reasons? Does the fruit handled by katy taste as normal fruit? yes Does she want it to taste as normal fruit? Is "mixing species of fruit" relevant? no or irrel to everything else

[Earnest]

Is the fruit collected from men and women badly treated? By children relevantly? Are tv spots/advertising relevant? Does she relevantly sign a certification? Allows the fruit to be sold without punishment?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is the fruit collected from men and women badly treated? Sometimes, svv of 'badly treated' By children relevantly? Are tv spots/advertising relevant? Does she relevantly sign a certification? Allows the fruit to be sold without punishment? no to all

[Earnest]

I will try to recap:
She worked in a firm producing fruit in bulk. She relevantly tastes, analyses and cut fruit. And fruit comes from Africa (spurce of the fruit which is relevant). The firm is known for ethical scandals related to extreme treatements of people. The kind of fruit and season in which fruit is collected are irrelevant.


Assuming the latter is correct, relevant that Africa is affected by drought sometimes? Relevant that people is often underpaid in Africa? Relevant how people is paid? According to the quality of food? Relevant who paid them? Relevant hunger and poverty? E.g. the fact that they collect fruit in Africa clashes in my opinion with the fact that it's generally hard to coltivate fruit in Africa. Maybe the firm exploited relevant shafts/wells thus preventing citizens to use them/coltivate their own fruit? Did the firm sell the fruit back in Africa? Is the firm well seen in Africa? Beneficial (e.g. it created works and allowed for coltivations that otherwise could have not been exploited)l? Detrimental?

Does K relevantly compare fruit with fruit of the previous year? Relevant the consequences of her analyses? If so in terms of emplyment? In terms of treatment conditions for workers? Delocation of the firm? Firm decisions (e.g. the lower the quality the less the pay for already very poor people)? Charity relevant? Fruit given for charity? Fruit to finance children adoption?

[invisiblemimsy]

I will try to recap:
She worked in a firm producing fruit in bulk. She relevantly tastes, analyses and cut fruit. And fruit comes from Africa (spurce of the fruit which is relevant). The firm is known for ethical scandals related to extreme treatements of people. Not directly, but this is still relevant The kind of fruit and season in which fruit is collected are irrelevant. Yes to everything else


Assuming the latter is correct, relevant that Africa is affected by drought sometimes? no Relevant that people is often underpaid in Africa? yes Relevant how people is paid? According to the quality of food? Relevant who paid them? Relevant hunger and poverty? yes E.g. the fact that they collect fruit in Africa clashes in my opinion with the fact that it's generally hard to coltivate fruit in Africa. Not at all, or not in this African country at least. Maybe the firm exploited relevant shafts/wells thus preventing citizens to use them/coltivate their own fruit? Did the firm sell the fruit back in Africa? Is the firm well seen in Africa? Beneficial (e.g. it created works and allowed for coltivations that otherwise could have not been exploited)l? Detrimental? No or irrel to the rest

Does K relevantly compare fruit with fruit of the previous year? Relevant the consequences of her analyses? the specifics of her analyses are irrel If so in terms of emplyment? In terms of treatment conditions for workers? yes, amongst other things Delocation of the firm? Firm decisions (e.g. the lower the quality the less the pay for already very poor people)? Charity relevant? Fruit given for charity? Fruit to finance children adoption? no or irrel to the rest

I feel an update coming on...

[invisiblemimsy]

*** UPDATE ***

We've established that Katy works for a controversial fruit company which is based in Africa, in a country which is both poor and rich. She works in the UK, performing tests on the various fruits. It's irrelevant what the tests are specifically, but they involve slicing with a scalpel, microscopic analysis and so on, and she wears a white coat. She's not entitled to call herself a surgeon, but word-play is involved. The news is relevant, and war is OTRT, labour exploitation, poor pay, hunger etc.. Her friends would have reacted very badly had they known who she worked for. They would already not be eating fruit from her company for ethical reasons.

You need to establish which African country the company is in, from there you should realise why there would be a problem with Katy's friends in the UK if they knew. (You're pretty much there tbh). That's the "Why isn't she truthful?" part. Then you just need the word-play around the job title of "surgeon".

[trebor]

I think you missed my questions from Oct. 13th.

Is the country South Africa? Apartheid relevant? Otherwise, is it Kenya? Rwanda? Chad? Egypt? The DRC? Or the R of the C? CAR? eSwatini? Niger? Nigeria

Does she say she’s a slicer? Cutter (although that has other connotations)? Cut-up? Operator? ER something? Does the wordplay also involve sword for fruit? Does she say she wears scrubs?

[Earnest]

Word play is on the name of the country? On the flag (e.g. Mauritania) ? On the word "cut"? "Slice"? "Scalpel"? Angola? Abbreviations (e.g. South Sudan as S.S.)"Operation"? The name of a surgical instrument?The name of an operatipn? The name of an ospital? "Surgeon"? Is the land a colony of UK?

[vever]

Word-play doesn't have anything to do with "Surge-on"?

[invisiblemimsy]

I think you missed my questions from Oct. 13th. Sorry! No, she doesn't work on the dole, NR.

Is the country South Africa? Yes Apartheid relevant? & Yes Otherwise, is it Kenya? Rwanda? Chad? Egypt? The DRC? Or the R of the C? CAR? eSwatini? Niger? Nigeria

Does she say she’s a slicer? Cutter (although that has other connotations)? Cut-up? Operator? ER something? Does the wordplay also involve sword for fruit? Does she say she wears scrubs? None of these. She does say she's a surgeon though...

[invisiblemimsy]

Word play is on the name of the country? On the flag (e.g. Mauritania) ? On the word "cut"? "Slice"? "Scalpel"? Angola? Abbreviations (e.g. South Sudan as S.S.)"Operation"? The name of a surgical instrument?The name of an operatipn? The name of an ospital? None of these "Surgeon"? It's to do with the word surgeon, but... Is the land a colony of UK? It's South Africa, as established by Trebor (above).

[invisiblemimsy]

Word-play doesn't have anything to do with "Surge-on"? No

[Earnest]

Separation relevant? Black and white? Genetic relevant? Does the company employ both black and white people relevantly? Black people collecting fruit relevant?

[trebor]

Is "surgeon" relevantly a word in another language as well? (French?) Surgeon General relevant? Are there white parts and black parts of fruits, and she's trying to avoid saying that she works in South Africa separating the white from the black?