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[GalFisk]

Greed or sunshine can make you look stupid.

[Doriana]

you = anyone? a specific group of people? just one person?

greed = the greed of the person who ends up looking stupid? someone else's greed?

[GalFisk]

you = anyone? Sort of. a specific group of people? Yesish, worth exploring. just one person? It may affect one or more people at a specific time.

greed = the greed of the person who ends up looking stupid? No. someone else's greed? Yes.

[invisiblemimsy]

Are the lyrics of a song relevant? Ditto music? Sunshine as in sunshiny weather? Holidays or hot countries relevant? The specific-ish group of people = HAM etc? Number of people? A demographic?

[GalFisk]

Are the lyrics of a song relevant? Ditto music? No to both. Sunshine as in sunshiny weather? Yes, but... Holidays or hot countries relevant? No. The specific-ish group of people = HAM etc? H, A, irr Number of people? From 1 to hundreds. A demographic? I think they're considered one for some purposes.

[invisiblemimsy]

Is this fictional? Normal reality? Relative the timescale? Era?

[GalFisk]

Is this fictional? No. Normal reality? Yes. Relative the timescale? What? Era? Modern.

[hoodie]

This is a very specific stab in the dark, but I'll ask it:

Does this have anything to do with climate change denial?

[trebor]

Would the sunshine disprove a theory? Disprove the existence of something? Or of someone?

[GalFisk]

This is a very specific stab in the dark, but I'll ask it:
Does this have anything to do with climate change denial? No.


Would the sunshine disprove a theory? No. Disprove the existence of something? No, but explore. Or of someone? No.

[Hobbsicle]

Does it affect people in a particular location? Engaged in a particular activity?

Is sunshine directly relevant?
If so, does sunshine relevantly impair vision?
Generate heat?
Reveal something previously hidden?
Cause sunburn?
Change the way something looks?

Or is it relevant in a more indirect way? Such as causing people to do outdoor activities?

Is greed related to someone present? To the manufacturer of a particular product? To someone providing a service? To someone engaged in criminal activity?

[GalFisk]

Does it affect people in a particular location? Yes. Engaged in a particular activity? Not currently engaged, but an activity is relevant.

Is sunshine directly relevant? Yes.
If so, does sunshine relevantly impair vision?
Generate heat? Yes.
Reveal something previously hidden? This is very relevant.
Cause sunburn? No.
Change the way something looks? Yes.

Or is it relevant in a more indirect way? Such as causing people to do outdoor activities? No.

Is greed related to someone present? To the manufacturer of a particular product? To someone providing a service? To someone engaged in criminal activity? Yes to an interlinked product and service.

[Hobbsicle]

Is the relevant product something that changes appearance? Is something on the product revealed in sunshine? Something underneath? Is clothing relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is the relevant product something that changes appearance? Is something on the product revealed in sunshine? In the right conditions. Something underneath? No, but explore.Is clothing relevant? No.

[invisiblemimsy]

Scars? Which become more visible when a person is tanned or sunburnt? UV relevant?

[GalFisk]

Scars? Which become more visible when a person is tanned or sunburnt? UV relevant? No to all.

[irishelk]

Is tanning involved at all?

Did the greed cause the manufacturer of a product/service to cut corners? And this becomes more obvious in sunlight?

Do greed and sunlight work together to make one look stupid? Does sunlight cause the same visual effect that greed would cause, even if it were not in sunlight?

Look stupid: just visually appear ridiculous? Does the person look like they did something stupid? DID they likely do something stupid? Their clothing involved? Skin? Hair? Something they say? Or do? Their car?

[GalFisk]

Is tanning involved at all? No.

Did the greed cause the manufacturer of a product/service to cut corners? Yes. And this becomes more obvious in sunlight? No, if greed is the cause then sunlight is not necessary.

Do greed and sunlight work together to make one look stupid? No. Does sunlight cause the same visual effect that greed would cause, even if it were not in sunlight? Yesish. The sunlight usually causes it on a greater scale.

Look stupid: just visually appear ridiculous? Yes. Does the person No. look like they did something stupid? But yes. DID they likely do something stupid? No. Their clothing involved? Skin? Hair? Something they say? Or do? Their car? This.

[irishelk]

Is cleaning a car relevant? Streaks left on a car after cleaning? Any particular part of the car relevant? If so, windows? Interior?

Is it a high intensity of light that reveals something? Is the car relevantly heated up by sunshine? Does something on/in the car cease to function?

Makes you look stupid: does the car look very unusual? Does it "behave" in a ridiculous way? Does it seem like the card didn't receive proper maintenance? Proper cleaning? Got in an accident?

Does it look like a mechanic did something stupid? A car salesman? The manufacturer? Another person who is not the owner of the car?

[GalFisk]

Is cleaning a car relevant? Streaks left on a car after cleaning? Any particular part of the car relevant? No to all. If so, windows? Interior?

Is it a high intensity of light that reveals something? No. Is the car relevantly heated up by sunshine? No. Does something on/in the car cease to function? No.

Makes you look stupid: does the car look very unusual? Does it "behave" in a ridiculous way? This is closest, for SVV of "behave". Does it seem like the card didn't receive proper maintenance? Proper cleaning? Got in an accident?

Does it look like a mechanic did something stupid? A car salesman? The manufacturer? Another person who is not the owner of the car? No to all.

[CoffeeBean]

Would the driver of a relevant car be the one who looked stupid? A passenger?
Does the relevant car have some kind of flaw? Weakness?
Is a certain part of a car relevant? Or the whole vehicle? A group of vehicles?
Would this thing happen in certain cities? Countries? Types of terrains? Types of climate/weather?

[Earnest]

Are sunglasses relevant? Skin? Reflections? Sunbathing? (E.g. sunbathing with sunglasses which leaves the eyes not tanned?) Plants' growth? Is the presence of sunshine relevant? Its absence? Would the puzzle work if moonshine replaces sunshine? Are high beam relevant?

[GalFisk]

Are sunglasses relevant? Skin? Reflections? Sunbathing? (E.g. sunbathing with sunglasses which leaves the eyes not tanned?) Plants' growth? Is the presence of sunshine relevant? The heat from the sun is relevant. Its absence? Would the puzzle work if moonshine replaces sunshine? Are high beam relevant? No to the rest.

[CoffeeBean]

Missed some q's...

[Earnest]

Missed CoffeBean qs.

Is heat of sun associated with a car? Or is the car associated with the greed if the owner? Both? Cooling system relevant?
Sweating relevant? Something melting? Temperature? Units of measurament? Heat of the sun on iron? Car exposed to the sun? Keys relevant? Heat associated with smell of things inside the car for a long time relevant (e.g. sweat things, food...)? Heat and traces on car's glasses if windows are not opened (hope it is clear)?

Greed = not activating something in order to save money? (E.g. air conditioned?) Not buying something? Having a car without something relevant? Not using something relevant,,,?

[GalFisk]

Sorry, CoffeBean.

Would the driver of a relevant car be the one who looked stupid? This. A passenger?
Does the relevant car have some kind of flaw? Weakness? No.
Is a certain part of a car relevant? Or the whole vehicle? This. A group of vehicles? Thisish. More relevant when it comes to greed.
Would this thing happen in certain cities? Countries? Types of terrains? Types of climate/weather? This.

Is heat of sun associated with a car? The sun heating the car itself is not relevant. Or is the car associated with the greed if the owner? No, and car owner greed is irrelevant. Both? Cooling system relevant? No.
Sweating relevant? No. Something melting? Yes! Temperature? Only in that it melts something. Units of measurament? Heat of the sun on iron? Car exposed to the sun? Keys relevant? Heat associated with smell of things inside the car for a long time relevant (e.g. sweat things, food...)? Heat and traces on car's glasses if windows are not opened (hope it is clear)? No to all.

Greed = not activating something in order to save money? (E.g. air conditioned?) Not buying something? Having a car without something relevant? Not using something relevant,,,? No to all.

[Earnest]

Melting car paint relevant? Other parts of the car? Melting ice? Driving on ice relevant? Flat tyres relevant?

Greed of cars' producers relevant? Greed of someone else? Someone having to do with the car directly? Police?Relevant the brand? Is it a normal car? Race cars? Jeeps? Luxury cars? Cars in a particular type of field? When drove? When parked? Every time?

[GalFisk]

Melting car paint relevant? Other parts of the car? Melting ice? Ice or snow. Driving on ice relevant? On ice or snow. Flat tyres relevant? No to the others.

Greed of cars' producers relevant? No. Greed of someone else? Yes. Someone having to do with the car directly? No(small ish). Police? Relevant the brand? No to all. Is it a normal car? Yes. Race cars? Jeeps? Luxury cars? Cars in a particular type of field? When drove? When parked? Only parked cars are relevant. Every time? Larger cars are more likely to be affected by the greed issue, but no particular type of car is relevant.

[CoffeeBean]

Is the fact that cars sometimes slide on ice relevant?
The fact that sunlight and heat make ice melt?
Ice or snow on the ground relevant? Ice on snow on top of a vehicle? On a vehicle's windshield or windscreen? On a vehicle's tires or wheels? On a sunroof?
Is rust relevant? Road salt? Corrosion?

[GalFisk]

Is the fact that cars sometimes slide on ice relevant? No.
The fact that sunlight and heat make ice melt? Yes.
Ice or snow on the ground relevant? Yes. Ice on snow on top of a vehicle? On a vehicle's windshield or windscreen? On a vehicle's tires or wheels? On a sunroof?
Is rust relevant? Road salt? Corrosion? no to the rest.

[Earnest]

Not putting the handbrake relevant?

[GalFisk]

Not putting the handbrake relevant? No.

[Earnest]

Maybe the fact that parked cars do not have snow under them relevant? Snow chains relevant?

Parked cars = parked in regular parking? Parked without paying? Without paying the right amount?

Had there beeen snow would the owner result in being stupid? Writing on cars relevant? Are the owner of the parked ones the ones that look stupid? Are some tools for ths snow relevant which result in being useless when sun melts snow?

[GalFisk]

Maybe the fact that parked cars do not have snow under them relevant? No. In fact, owners of cars parked before any snowfall will not look stupid. Snow chains relevant? No.

Parked cars = parked in regular parking? Yes. Parked without paying? Without paying the right amount? No to both.

Had there been snow would the owner result in being stupid? Not being stupid, but looking stupid. Writing on cars relevant? No. Are the owner of the parked ones the ones that look stupid? Yes. Are some tools for ths snow relevant which result in being useless when sun melts snow? No.

[Earnest]

So parking with a snowfall makes you look stupid?, (like you are the only one having snow under your car when sun comes?) Maybe the snow melting evaporates under the car making it look like the car has problems (smoke coming out from the car...)?

[GalFisk]

So parking with a snowfall makes you look stupid? There must be snow or ice on the ground, but it doesn't need to be falling when parking., (like you are the only one having snow under your car when sun comes?) No. Maybe the snow melting evaporates under the car making it look like the car has problems (smoke coming out from the car...)? No.

[CoffeeBean]

Are footprints relevant? Handprints?

[GalFisk]

Are footprints relevant? Handprints? No to both.

[Earnest]

Tires relevant? Sliding while parking relevant? Fear of sliding? Traces of tires (e.g. if someone cannot park in a unique manoeuvre)? Looking for free spots relevant? Road signs covered by snow? Prudence while driving relevant? Looking for simple spots to park in?

[GalFisk]

Tires relevant? Sliding while parking relevant? Fear of sliding? No to all. Traces of tires (e.g. if someone cannot park in a unique manoeuvre)? No, but good guess. Looking for free spots relevant? Road signs covered by snow? Prudence while driving relevant? Looking for simple spots to park in? No to all, but spots to park in are OTRT.

[Earnest]

Lines indicating parking spots relevant? Distinguishing the color of the lines relevant? (E.g. if it is a toll parking or not for instance)

[GalFisk]

Lines indicating parking spots relevant? Yes. Distinguishing the color of the lines relevant? (E.g. if it is a toll parking or not for instance) No.

[CoffeeBean]

Parallel parking relevant? Pulling forward into a parking place or backing in? Parking in a garage? On a street by a curb? Near a building?
Parking tickets or citations relevant?

[GalFisk]

Parallel parking relevant? No. Pulling forward into a parking place or backing in? No. Parking in a garage? No. On a street by a curb? No. Near a building? No.
Parking tickets or citations relevant? No.

[Earnest]

Ok. Let's say there are two cars and a free spot between them in which you want to park the car. Do you look stupid before attempting to park? While parking? If the parking is echelon parking/ angle parking? If it is like that: A -parking- B (where A and B are already parked)? If there are no actually cars parked in a way that the exact location of the parking can be deduced (e.g. one near the other with a free spot between)? In any case?

When angle parks are interspersed with other types of parking? Other lines? Bus stops? Others?

[GalFisk]

Ok. Let's say there are two cars and a free spot between them in which you want to park the car. Do you look stupid before attempting to park? While parking? No, later. If the parking is echelon parking/ angle parking? You can look stupid in such a parking spot as well. If it is like that: A -parking- B (where A and B are already parked)? Yes. If there are no actually cars parked in a way that the exact location of the parking can be deduced (e.g. one near the other with a free spot between)? In any case? In the ice/snow/sun case, you can look stupid regardless of other cars. In the greed case, you can only look stupid after parking adjacent to another car.

When angle parks are interspersed with other types of parking? Other lines? Bus stops? Others? All irr.

[Earnest]

So greed = greed of the people who parked next to you? Your own greed? Not paying parking lot? Taking the more space that you can?
Greed case --> open car doors relevant? Open car windows?

No, later. --> soon after you parked? Minutes after? Hours? Depend? After the snow is melt? because the lines clearly reappear when ice/snow disappear? Is painting relevant? Relevant if someone parked before in the spot you want to park in (the lines became white)? Shape of the car relevant?

Fitting inside the lines relevant?

[GalFisk]

So greed = greed of the people who parked next to you? Your own greed? Not paying parking lot? No to all. Taking the more space that you can? No but OTRT.
Greed case --> open car doors relevant? Open car windows? No to both.

No, later. --> soon after you parked? Minutes after? Hours? Depend? After the snow is melt? This. because the lines clearly reappear when ice/snow disappear? Yes. Is painting relevant? Relevant if someone parked before in the spot you want to park in (the lines became white)? Shape of the car relevant?

Fitting inside the lines relevant? Yes.
HALF-SOLVED: when people park on a snow-covered parking lot, and then the sun comes out and melts the snow, they all look like idiots for not being parked between the (now clearly visible) lines.
TBD: how can greed make people look like idiots by not parking between the lines?

[CoffeeBean]

Are the relevant vehicles covering more than just two spaces? 3? 4?

[GalFisk]

Are the relevant vehicles covering more than just two spaces? 3? 4? No, but OTRT.

[CoffeeBean]

Is it relevant where the vehicle's tires are placed? Which direction the vehicle is facing? What other vehicles are parked near the greedy one? Other objects near where the vehicle is parked? The type of area in which the vehicle is parked? The manner in which parking places are marked/indicated?

[GalFisk]

Is it relevant where the vehicle's tires are placed? Yesish - the position of the car, which is relevant, dictates the placement of the tyres. Which direction the vehicle is facing? No. What other vehicles are parked near the greedy one? FA - the greed is not with the vehicle, its driver or owner. Other objects near where the vehicle is parked? Other cars, yes. The type of area in which the vehicle is parked? Yes. The manner in which parking places are marked/indicated? Yes, this is very relevant.

[CoffeeBean]

Is it the parking area's owners or managers that appear greedy? Police?
Would this appearance of greed be relevant anywhere? In any parking area? Only in places where there is a fee to park?

[GalFisk]

Is it the parking area's owners This. or managers that appear greedy? Police?
Would this appearance of greed be relevant anywhere? In any parking area? In any parking area affected by this issue, yes. Only in places where there is a fee to park? Parking fees are irrelevant.

[CoffeeBean]

Would this scenario work in a very small parking lot? Very large one? Restricted access lot? Public lot?

[GalFisk]

Would this scenario work in a very small parking lot? Very large one? Restricted access lot? Public lot? Most lots with at least a few spaces.

[CoffeeBean]

And the location of the lot does not matter? It could be anywhere? Near any type of building?
Does the type of ground markings matter? Certain types of parking places? Reserved parking? Parking spaces designated for certain types of vehicles? Signs in the parking lot? Colors of markings?

[GalFisk]

And the location of the lot does not matter? It could be anywhere? Near any type of building? Yes to all.
Does the type of ground markings matter? No, as long as they're there and clearly show each space. Certain types of parking places? Non-special spaces are most likely. Reserved parking? Could work. Parking spaces designated for certain types of vehicles? Posibly, but assume no. Signs in the parking lot? Irr. Colors of markings? Irr, as long as they're easy to see and understand.

[CoffeeBean]

Is there something that makes the parking spaces difficult to get into or out of?
So is it correct to say that if several vehicles wanted to park in such a lot, and the ground was covered with snow, those vehicles would have to make a guess as to where the actual markings were? And when the snow melted it would show that the vehicles were not aligned in the spaces?
Should the lot have been plowed in order to not have snow accumulate?

[GalFisk]

Is there something that makes the parking spaces difficult to get into Yope, explore. or out of? Not as relevant.
So is it correct to say that if several vehicles wanted to park in such a lot, and the ground was covered with snow, those vehicles would have to make a guess as to where the actual markings were? And when the snow melted it would show that the vehicles were not aligned in the spaces? The snow part of the puzzle has been solved. We're now trying to solve the greed part. If a parking lot affected by the greed was also affected by snow, the snow would make the greed part moot.
Should the lot have been plowed in order to not have snow accumulate? See above.

[CoffeeBean]

"If a parking lot affected by the greed was also affected by snow..." For some reason my brain doesn't want to decipher the wording of this...

So it would be possible, on a bright and sunny summer day, for someone to pull into a parking place in a relevant lot but yet not park within the designated spaces?
Or would this happen if a person parked there at night, when they couldn't see, and the light of day revealed that the vehicle(s) was/weren't parked properly within spaces? So this could be solved by putting lights in the parking lot so that if someone parked there at night they could see where the space markings were? But the greed comes into play because the lot's owner is too cheap to put lights in the lot?

[GalFisk]

"If a parking lot affected by the greed was also affected by snow..." For some reason my brain doesn't want to decipher the wording of this...
We use words differently here on the LTPF

So it would be possible, on a bright and sunny summer day, for someone to pull into a parking place in a relevant lot but yet not park within the designated spaces? Yes. Why? Clues from earlier: you park adjacent to other cars, big cars are more likely affected.
Or would this happen if a person parked there at night, when they couldn't see, and the light of day revealed that the vehicle(s) was/weren't parked properly within spaces? So this could be solved by putting lights in the parking lot so that if someone parked there at night they could see where the space markings were? But the greed comes into play because the lot's owner is too cheap to put lights in the lot? No, but good guess. Greed does affect how the lot is made.

[CoffeeBean]

Is the surface of the lot relevant? Whether or not it's paved? What kind of pavement is used? How often the lines are painted? How visible the paint is?

[GalFisk]

Is the surface of the lot relevant? Whether or not it's paved? What kind of pavement is used? How often the lines are painted? How visible the paint is? The surface must be paintable and the painted lines clearly visible, so that someone will look stupid for not parking within them. Otherwise irr.

[CoffeeBean]

Is the relevant lot on a slope or incline? Is the elevation of the land relevant? Does something else besides ice or snow cover the lot sometimes? Like weeds or mud?

[GalFisk]

Is the relevant lot on a slope or incline? Irr. Is the elevation of the land relevant? No. Does something else besides ice or snow cover the lot sometimes? Like weeds or mud? When greed makes people look stupid, it's not covered by anything.

[CoffeeBean]

Because the parking lines are crooked or wavy? Some other evidence of poor work that would have been done better by a person who was paid more? Is the greed shown by something that an untrained person has done?

[GalFisk]

Because the parking lines are crooked or wavy? No. Some other evidence of poor work that would have been done better by a person who was paid more? No. Is the greed shown by something that an untrained person has done? No.

[CoffeeBean]

Is the greed demonstrated by a lack of something that should be present? Or the presence of something that shouldn’t be there? By something done poorly?

So if I drove into this lot, on a sunny day, would the parking space lines be visible? So I would know where to put my vehicle? Is there some factor that determines whether or not I can see the parking space lines on a sunny day?

Is the area of the lot adequate for the number of vehicles it is supposed to accommodate? Are all parking spaces the same size?

[GalFisk]

Is the area of the lot adequate for the number of vehicles it is supposed to accommodate? No!Are all parking spaces the same size? Yes.
SPOILER
I live in Sweden. Spring and fall both have several days where the ground is covered by snow in the morning when everyone gets to work, but thaws during the day. The cars will then be standing willy-nilly across the neat and clearly visible lines on the ground.
A low price food chain opened a store in the place I lived a few years ago. Their new parking lot had really tight parking spaces in order to fit more cars in a small area. If one person parked crooked, or had too big a car, it would cause a chain reaction of misaligned cars down the lot.
Thanks for playing!

[Earnest]

Cool!