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[GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:11 pm

How did they know he didn't do it himself?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby Lynne » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:33 pm

Was 'it' something tangible? Did he claim to have made something himself? Cook something? Did they see packaging that had been thrown away? Could they see tht what he claimed to have done himself would have needed tools that would be too expensive/unavailable to him? Had certain regulations come into force which would prevent him doing 'it' himself?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:45 pm

Was 'it' something tangible? Yope. Not an object. Did he claim to have made something himself? No. Cook something? No. Did they see packaging that had been thrown away? No. Could they see tht what he claimed to have done himself would have needed tools that would be too expensive/unavailable to him? No/FA. Had certain regulations come into force which would prevent him doing 'it' himself? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby Lynne » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:58 pm

Had he redecorated/reordered a place? Was there a giveaway trademark to be seen?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:00 pm

Was "it" a good thing? A bad thing? Did he pay someone to do this for him? Was it done at all?
Is it a scientific paper or theory?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby yojimbo » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:02 pm

"himself" = "by himself" ?
would more than person be required to do "it?"
It: something tangible? intangible? abstract? a work of art [song, poem, or the like]?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:06 pm

Lynne:
Had he redecorated No./reordered a place? Noish. Was there a giveaway trademark to be seen? Yes - may mislead though.

RedWine:
Was "it" a good thing? No. A bad thing? Yes. Did he pay someone to do this for him? No. Was it done at all? Yes.
Is it a scientific paper or theory? No.

Yojimbo:
"himself" = "by himself" ? Yes.
would more than person be required to do "it?" No.
It: something tangible? Yes. intangible? No. abstract? No. a work of art [song, poem, or the like]? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:45 pm

They knew he didn't do the bad thing because - they figured out he couldn't have been there? He didn't have the proper objects to do it? he didn't have the necessary knowledge? because of a physical attribute? Because they did it? A lie detector showed he was telling the truth? A device was used to gather information proving him innocent?

Is the bad thing - like murder/violence? other crimes? like cheating, lying to friends? or like leaving the ice cream out to melt, didn't take out the trash?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:00 am

They knew he didn't do the bad thing because - they figured out he couldn't have been there? No. He didn't have the proper objects to do it? he didn't have the necessary knowledge? He had both. because of a physical attribute? No. Because they did it? No. A lie detector showed he was telling the truth? No. A device was used to gather information proving him innocent? No/FA.

Is the bad thing - like murder/violence? This, no to the others. other crimes? like cheating, lying to friends? or like leaving the ice cream out to melt, didn't take out the trash?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:50 am

Did he have an accomplice? Was it possible to be done without accomplice? Was it a murder? Or violence? If murder, method relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:58 am

Did he have an accomplice? Yope/FA. Was it possible to be done without accomplice? YES. Was it a murder? Yesish. Or violence? Yes. If murder, method relevant? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:55 am

Did he have an unwilling accomplice? Animal accomplice?
Method of murder: gunshot? arrow shot? strangulation? poison? hitting with an object? Driving someone to suicide? Drowning? Stabbing?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:12 am

Did he have an unwilling accomplice? No. Animal accomplice? No.
Method of murder: gunshot? arrow shot? strangulation? poison? No to all. hitting with an object? No (ish). Driving someone to suicide? No, but... Drowning? Stabbing? No to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:33 am

Pushing someone from height? Through the window?
Did the victim die of impact? Animal attack? organ failure?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:19 pm

Pushing someone from height? Through the window? No to both.
Did the victim die of impact? Noish.. Animal attack? No. organ failure? Noish, because...
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:22 pm

Was the vehicle used to commit the murder? Was the murder meant to look like suicide? or accident?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:25 pm

Was the vehicle used to commit the murder? No. Was the murder meant to look like suicide? YES. or accident? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:35 pm

Did the murderer cut person's veins? Gas poisoning relevant? Did the victim die in fire?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:40 pm

Did the murderer cut person's veins? Gas poisoning relevant? Did the victim die in fire? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:52 pm

Was the yopeish accomplice the victim?
"He" in the puzzle sentence refers to the murderer, correct?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:55 pm

Was the yopeish accomplice the victim? No.
"He" in the puzzle sentence refers to the murderer, correct? No, but...
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:57 pm

Ok, so "he" is the victim then? And they (the police?) somehow knew it was not suicide?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:07 pm

Ok, so "he" is the victim then? YES. And they (the police?) somehow knew it was not suicide? Indeed so. FA cleared.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:20 pm

Was there something about the body that gave them a clue? About the scene? A relevant item left behind? Did someone see the murderer?
Is relation between murderer and victim relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:32 pm

Was there something about the body that gave them a clue? No. About the scene? Yes. A relevant item left behind? Yesish. Did someone see the murderer? No.
Is relation between murderer and victim relevant? Not really. The motive was jealousy, but that's irrelevant to the puzzle itself.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:39 pm

Was the body in the locked room? If yes, is the location of the key relevant? Was the body discovered at all?
Did the murderer use a tool? More than one tool?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:43 pm

Was the body in the locked room? Yes indeed. DOYD of "room". If yes, is the location of the key relevant? Yes, but... Was the body discovered at all? Yes(ish).
Did the murderer use a tool? Yes, DOYD of "tool". More than one tool? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:47 pm

Was the body in locked space within the house? Was the key inside this space? Outside? In the keyhole? Was it apparent it'd been tampered with?
Did the murderer use a tool to kill the victim? Did the murderer use a tool to conceal proofs? To re-lock the space?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:52 pm

Was the body in locked space within the house? No, FA. Was the key inside this space? Yes. Outside? No. In the keyhole? No, beware of FA. Was it apparent it'd been tampered with? No.
Did the murderer use a tool to kill the victim? Yes. Did the murderer use a tool to conceal proofs? No. To re-lock the space? Yes.
You may want to use "object" instead of "tool", as none of the items are normally known as tools.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:54 pm

Was the body in locked space in another building, not the house? Victim's workplace perhaps? A vehicle? Was the key on victim's person or clothing?
Was the key one of the objects murderer used? Were there murderer's belongings on the scene? Gloves? Footprints? Fingerprints?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:13 pm

Was the body in locked space in another building, not the house? Yes. Victim's workplace perhaps? Yes. A vehicle? No. Was the key on victim's person or clothing? Probably, assume yes.
Was the key one of the objects murderer used? No. Were there murderer's belongings on the scene? Something was. DOYD of "belongings". Gloves? No. Footprints? No. Fingerprints? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:21 pm

Was the victim murdered through the window? Was the window open? Close? Relevant?
Was the victim murdered through ventillation system? Was the murderer near the victim at the time of murder?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:03 pm

Was the victim murdered through the window? Was the window open? Close? Relevant? No/FA to all.
Was the victim murdered through ventillation system? No. Was the murderer near the victim at the time of murder? Yesish. Explore.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:09 pm

Was the murderer in the same room/space as the victim? Was the murderer in the same building? Just outside the building? On building's roof? Under the building? In a vehicle passing by the building? Did the victim see the murderer before death? Did any witness relevantly see the murderer? Would it help to find out murderer's job?
Was the victim hanged?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:47 am

Was the murderer in the same room/space as the victim? At first. Was the murderer in the same building? At first. Just outside the building? Yes, relevantly this. On building's roof? No. Under the building? No. In a vehicle passing by the building? No. Did the victim see the murderer before death? Probably not. Did any witness relevantly see the murderer? No. Would it help to find out murderer's job? Yes.
Was the victim hanged? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:58 am

Did the murderer work in the same building as victim? Did he work somewhere else but went to that building within his professional capacity (like flower or pizza delivery man)? Did he work outside the building (like window cleaner)?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:15 am

Did the murderer work in the same building as victim? Yes. Beware of FA. Did he work somewhere else but went to that building within his professional capacity (like flower or pizza delivery man)? This is also sort of what happened, though it may be misleading. Did he work outside the building (like window cleaner)? No.
To clear potential FAs, it would help to know more about the building.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:25 am

Was it an office building? A store? A building open to public? With restricted access? Where access is paid?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:34 am

Was it an office building? No. A store? No. A building open to public? No. With restricted access? Yes. Where access is paid? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:38 am

Was it a military area? Restricted airport area? Was it governmental place? Private property?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:46 am

Was it a military area? Yes. Restricted airport area? No. Was it governmental place? See above. Private property? See above.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:51 am

Was the victim a military? Was the murderer a military? Exact tasks within military relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:55 am

Was the victim a military? Yes. Was the murderer a military? Yes. Exact tasks within military relevant? Not exact, but...
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:57 am

Was either man a pilot? Was either man on a guard duty?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:58 am

Was either man a pilot? No. Was either man on a guard duty? Noish, but...
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:05 am

Are ranks of men relevant? Was either man on a patrol? Was this a military site within a country? Or abroad? Did it happen during wartime?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:23 am

Are ranks of men relevant? Not exact ranks, but... Was either man on a patrol? No. Was this a military site within a country? Yes. Or abroad? No. Did it happen during wartime? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:23 am

Is one of the men supervising another? Did the murderer kill his commander?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:30 am

Is one of the men supervising another? No or irrelevant. Did the murderer kill his commander? Yes indeed.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:32 am

Did the murderer use a bomb? A weapon (if so, firearm? white weapon)? A substance?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:38 am

Did the murderer use a bomb? Yes. Specifically, a hand grenade. A weapon (if so, firearm? white weapon)? Another object was also relevantly used as a white weapon. A substance? A substance is also involved in some way.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:42 am

Did the murderer want it to look like his commander exploded himself with a hand grenade? Is it relevant how he put the grenade into the closed space? Was the space closed by the murderer? By the commander? Did he make up some "proofs" indicating suicide? Like suicide letter?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:46 am

Did the murderer want it to look like his commander exploded himself with a hand grenade? Yes. Is it relevant how he put the grenade into the closed space? Yes. Was the space closed by the murderer? Yes. By the commander? No. Did he make up some "proofs" indicating suicide? Yes. Like suicide letter? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:03 am

Did the murderer compell the commander to use the grenade? Was it sort of trap in which grenade goes off when something else is done? Did the murderer enter through the door when the space was empty, plant the grenade and go away? Did he throw the grenade through some hole? Chimney? open door?
Was the commander drunk? Did the murderer pour the alcohol on the body?
Did the murderer do some action which was impossible to be done by commander in set-up suicide scene? Like turning off the light?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:07 am

Did the murderer compell the commander to use the grenade? No. Was it sort of trap in which grenade goes off when something else is done? No. Did the murderer enter through the door when the space was empty, plant the grenade and go away? No. Did he throw the grenade through some hole? Chimney? open door? No to all.
Was the commander drunk? Yes, but... Did the murderer pour the alcohol on the body? Yesish, worth exploring.
Did the murderer do some action which was impossible to be done by commander in set-up suicide scene? No. Like turning off the light? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:00 am

Did the murderer use relevant alcohol? Was he aware the commander was drunk? Did the murderer provoke his being drunk? Did he pour alcohol into his body? Did he drug him and only later explode him with the grenade?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:31 am

Did the murderer use relevant alcohol? Yesish. Was he aware the commander was drunk? Yes. Did the murderer provoke his being drunk? No. Did he pour alcohol into his body? No. Did he drug him and only later explode him with the grenade? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:33 am

Relevant alcohol: Beer? Wine? Spirits? Whisky? Bourbon? Champagne? Liquor? Brandy? Vodka? Absinth?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:37 am

Relevant alcohol: Beer? Wine? Spirits? Whisky? Bourbon? Champagne? Liquor? Brandy? Vodka? Absinth?
Assume vodka. Wine could also work. Two aspects of the drink are relevant.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:48 am

Was the drink disguised as something else? Was the drink a gift?
Relevant aspects of drink: smell? taste? color? inflammability? quantity?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:24 pm

Was the drink disguised as something else? No. Was the drink a gift? No.
Relevant aspects of drink: smell? No. taste? No. color? No. inflammability? No. quantity? Yesish.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:10 pm

Relevant quantity: Enough to get adult man drunk? More? Less? Number of glasses relevant? Number of bottles relevant? Volume relevant?
Another relevant aspect: packaging?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:25 pm

Relevant quantity: Enough to get adult man drunk? More? Less? Number of glasses relevant? Irr to the above. Number of bottles relevant? Yes, one. Volume relevant? Yesish.
Another relevant aspect: packaging? The bottle is what makes quantity/volume yesishly important.
There is one more undiscovered quality, not covered by the above. It's not critical to discover it.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:48 pm

Was it a bottle in the shape of hand grenade? And the murderer substituted the bottle with the grenade? Was the commander drunk enough not to tell apart bottle and grenade?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:49 pm

Was it a bottle in the shape of hand grenade? And the murderer substituted the bottle with the grenade? Was the commander drunk enough not to tell apart bottle and grenade? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:52 pm

When the body was found, was the bottle empty? Half empty? Full? Open? Intact? Broken? Smashed? Relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:53 pm

When the body was found, was the bottle empty? Half empty? Full? Open? Intact? Broken? Smashed? This. Relevant? Yesish.
Edit: as far as it could be determined, it was also opened.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:57 pm

Was it smashed in grenade explosion? Earlier? After? Was it smashed by commander? By murderer? Was alcohol from the smashed bottle poured all around the place?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:03 pm

Was it smashed in grenade explosion? Earlier? Both of the above. After? No. Was it smashed by commander? No. By murderer? Yes. Was alcohol from the smashed bottle poured all around the place? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:06 pm

Was the commander hit with the bottle that got smashed in the process? Did the murderer hope that the explosion would cover evidence of earlier smashing the bottle? If yes, did the explosion do so?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:11 pm

Was the commander hit with the bottle that got smashed in the process? Yes. Did the murderer hope that the explosion would cover evidence of earlier smashing the bottle? If yes, did the explosion do so? Yes to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:14 pm

Was the bottle thrown? Was the murderer handling the bottle at the moment of hitting? Was the murderer ever in the room where commander was murdered? Was commander's body relevantly moved into the room? Was he summoned to the commander?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:25 pm

Did forensics discover the relevant fact(s) proving the commander didn't commit suicide? Is the current location of objects relevant - like a smashed bottle would have been blown to smithereens against the wall instead on shards on the floor? Or spilled blood where the victim was blown up meant the commander died before the grenade exploded? Or the grenade exploded to far away from the victim which showed the victim had died another way?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:44 pm

RedWine:
Was the bottle thrown? No. Was the murderer handling the bottle at the moment of hitting? Yes. Was the murderer ever in the room where commander was murdered? Yes. Was commander's body relevantly moved into the room? No. Was he summoned to the commander? No, but...

Danobrazil:
Did forensics discover the relevant fact(s) proving the commander didn't commit suicide? Yes. Is the current location of objects relevant - like a smashed bottle would have been blown to smithereens against the wall instead on shards on the floor? No. A yet-to-be-discovered object is relevantly involved though. Or spilled blood where the victim was blown up meant the commander died before the grenade exploded? No. Or the grenade exploded to far away from the victim which showed the victim had died another way? No, the grenade did kill him.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:47 pm

Did the investigators suspect suicide because: commander was in the suicide mood? commander only had access to grenades? they had no idea how murderer escaped the room? They implied from the smell of alcohol that the commander was drunk and possibly depressed?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:53 pm

Did the investigators suspect suicide because: commander was in the suicide mood? NO. commander only had access to grenades? No. they had no idea how murderer escaped the room? YES. They implied from the smell of alcohol that the commander was drunk and possibly depressed? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:01 pm

Did the murderer enter the room, hit the commander with the bottle, plant the grenade, escape through door and locked the door from outside after the explosion? Or did he invent more elaborate plan?
Was the murderer in air force? special force? navy?
Was he a member of rescuing team, so that he was called to the place after explosion, what enabled him to conceal evidence?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:11 pm

Did the murderer enter the room, Yes. hit the commander with the bottle, Yes. plant the grenade, Yes. escape through door Yes. and locked the door from outside NO. after the explosion? No. Or did he invent more elaborate plan? Yes.
Was the murderer in air force? special force? navy? Regular army.
Was he a member of rescuing team, No. so that he was called to the place after explosion, No, and slight FA. what enabled him to conceal evidence? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:08 pm

Were the door locked with key? Some kind of automated lock? Did they just lock when shut?
Was there a relevantly huge explosion from the grenade? Relatively small?
Did the murderer close the door only after the explosion? Was the explosion noticed within seconds? Was it considered normal in that place?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:42 pm

Was the grenade ring missing?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:38 pm

RedWine:
Were the door locked with key? No. Some kind of automated lock? No. Did they just lock when shut? No.
Was there a relevantly huge explosion from the grenade? Pretty big. Relatively small? No.
Did the murderer close the door only after the explosion? No. Was the explosion noticed within seconds? No. Was it considered normal in that place? No, but...

Danobrazil:
Was the grenade ring missing? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:41 pm

Were there any door to lock after the explosion? Were there other people present in the site? Was there relevant drill going on?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:43 pm

Were there any door to lock after the explosion? YES. Were there other people present in the site? No. Was there relevant drill going on? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:54 pm

Is the grenade pin/ring relevant beyond it's obvious use?
Is the yet to be discovered item smaller than a basketball? Is it made of Metal? Plastic? Stone? Rubber? H20? Wood? Fabric? A body part? It there anything unusual about external physical features of the commander? Internal? Dental work?
Was the grenade of the same type the general would have access to use? Is there another weapon involved? A detonation device? Was anything improvised using not standard materials?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:03 pm

Is the grenade pin/ring relevant beyond it's obvious use? No.
Is the yet to be discovered item smaller than a basketball? Yes, but... Is it made of Metal? No. Plastic? No. Stone? No. Rubber? Yes. H20? No. Wood? No. Fabric? No. A body part? No. It there anything unusual about external physical features of the commander? No. Internal? No. Dental work? No.
Was the grenade of the same type the general would have access to use? Neither person is a general. Both had access to this type of grenade. Is there another weapon involved? No, except the aforementioned bottle. A detonation device? No, except the one in all grenades. Was anything improvised using not standard materials? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:10 pm

Is the item 80 to 100% rubber?
Rubber - Band? Ball? Goulashes? Ducky? Hose? Drain stopper? Mat? Gloves?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:12 pm

Is the item 80 to 100% rubber? Yes, 100%.
Rubber - Band? Ball? Goulashes? Ducky? Hose? Drain stopper? Mat? Gloves? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:44 pm

Was the rubber object - Held by the commander? Under him? On him? In the room? on the floor? blown apart? Did it relevantly bounce?
Does the rubber object have - curves? Rectangular/Square features? It is a military object? Civilian? Work?
Is it smaller than a bowling ball? tennis ball? golf ball? Is it worn? Used in an office?
Was the object mistakenly left behind?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:56 pm

Was the rubber object once bigger than a basketball but is small now? Was it destroyed? Was it a balloon?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:07 pm

RedWine:
Was the rubber object once bigger than a basketball but is small now? Was it destroyed? Was it a balloon? Yes to all.

Danobrazil:
Was the rubber object - Held by the commander? No. Under him? No. On him? No. In the room? Yes. on the floor? No. blown apart? Yes. Did it relevantly bounce? No.
Does the rubber object have - curves? Rectangular/Square features? It is a military object? Civilian? Work?
Is it smaller than a bowling ball? tennis ball? golf ball? Is it worn? Used in an office?
It was a regular balloon.
Was the object mistakenly left behind? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:21 pm

Was the balloon destroyed on purpose? By accident? Was it destroyed in order to relevantly move? In order to make relevant sound? In order to destroy evidence? Was something relevant inside the balloon?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:26 pm

Was the balloon destroyed on purpose? Yes. By accident? No. Was it destroyed in order to relevantly move? Yesish. In order to make relevant sound? No. In order to destroy evidence? No... Was something relevant inside the balloon? Just air.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:27 pm

Was the balloon floating/hanging? On the ground? was it floating with something attached? a grenade?
Was the balloon used in an improvised explosion?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:05 am

Was the balloon floating/hanging? No. On the ground? No. was it floating with something attached? No. a grenade? No.
Was the balloon used in an improvised explosion? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:41 am

Was the balloon used to do the killing? To escape? To distract the victim? To close the door? Was the balloon big enough to lift the man?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:59 am

Was the balloon used to do the killing? No. To escape? No. To distract the victim? No. To close the door? Noish, but explore. Was the balloon big enough to lift the man? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:39 am

Did the murderer bring the balloon to the room? Are external features of balloon relevant? Did he destroy the balloon after having hit the commander but before launching the grenade? After launching the grenade? Was the balloon destroyed in grenade explosion? Was the balloon relevantly attached to something? Was something else attached to the balloon?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:50 am

Did the murderer bring the balloon to the room? Yes. Are external features of balloon relevant? Yope. Did he destroy the balloon after having hit the commander but before launching the grenade? No. After launching the grenade? No. Was the balloon destroyed in grenade explosion? Yes. Was the balloon relevantly attached to something? Yesish. Was something else attached to the balloon? Yesish.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:49 am

Was the key attached to the balloon? Was the balloon attached to the body? to the door? to some furniture? to the grenade?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:50 am

Was the key attached to the balloon? No. Was the balloon attached to the body? No. to the door? Yes, explore. to some furniture? No. to the grenade? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:52 am

Was the balloon attached to the door knob? to the keyhole? Was it attached in the inside? In the outside?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:53 am

Was the balloon attached to the door knob? to the keyhole? Both no/FA. Was it attached in the inside? Yes. In the outside? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:55 am

Is it relevant how it was attached? If yes: with some glue? With some tape? With string or rope? With a rubber band?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:56 am

Is it relevant how it was attached? Yes. If yes: with some glue? With some tape? With string or rope? With a rubber band? No to all, OTWT.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:59 am

Was it put inside the keyhole? Electrostatics relevant? Was the end of the balloon put under the door? Above the door? On the side of the door? Is it relevant how the door looked like? Was it a regular wooden door?
Did the balloon have a picture on it? Was it of other shape than regular round-ish shape? Is its color relevant? Was it filled with regular air (as opposed to i.e. helium)?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:12 am

Was it put inside the keyhole? No, FA. Electrostatics relevant? No. Was the end of the balloon put under the door? No. Above the door? No. On the side of the door? Yes. Is it relevant how the door looked like? YES. Was it a regular wooden door? NO.
Did the balloon have a picture on it? Yes. Was it of other shape than regular round-ish shape? No. Is its color relevant? No. Was it filled with regular air (as opposed to i.e. helium)? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:25 am

Was the picture printed by the manufacturer of the balloon? Hand-drawn? Were the door strenghtened? metal? With a window? Or a viewer? Was it a grid? Or portcullis?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:26 am

Was the picture printed by the manufacturer of the balloon? Yes. Hand-drawn? No. Were the door strenghtened? Yes. metal? Yes. With a window? Or a viewer? Was it a grid? Or portcullis? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:28 am

Was there a particular type of lock? Electronic lock? Finger scanner? Eye scanner?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:33 am

Was there a particular type of lock? Yes. Electronic lock? Finger scanner? Eye scanner? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:27 am

Was a cartoon character depicted on the balloon? Was there a symbol? Did the balloon have any military purpose?
Was there a padlock? a sliding bolt? Was the door possible to open from inside only?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:31 am

Was a cartoon character depicted on the balloon? No. Was there a symbol? Yes. Did the balloon have any military purpose? No.
Was there a padlock? Yes, the victim opened a padlock in order to enter. a sliding bolt? No, but close. Was the door possible to open from inside only? Yes, after the explosion.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:39 am

Was there a safety precaution that locks the locks in case of explosion or other danger? Or was it rather a mechanical consequence of explosion? Did the murderer foresee this consequence? Provoke it? He was outside at the time of explosion, correct?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:41 am

Was there a safety precaution that locks the locks in case of explosion or other danger? No, but "other danger" is somewhat relevant. Or was it rather a mechanical consequence of explosion? Yope. Did the murderer foresee this consequence? Yes. Provoke it? Very much so. He was outside at the time of explosion, correct? Correct.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:02 pm

Was the door open when the murderer escaped? Closed, but not locked?
WAG: Did the murderer attach string to the bar closing the door from inside, put the balloon in the gap between door and the wall, then grenade explodes, ballon explodes too, door closes but murderer is able to lower/drop the bar with the string? Or bar drops by the impact of heavy door closing?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:15 pm

Does the balloon popping accomplish something?
Is the "room" an enclosure with 4 walls? And a ceiling? Is it a large/huge area? Or very small like a closet? Are there lights in the room? Is it a hangar bay? Missile silo? Something top secret?
Is the picture on the balloon relevant to why the commander was known to have been murdered?
Was the balloon made or utilized to look like a person in any way? Did the door have a window?
Besides the investigation any other relevant people? Animals?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:41 pm

Were balloon scraps found near the body? Did the balloon pop in the Murder Room?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:11 pm

RedWine:
Was the door open when the murderer escaped? Yes. Closed, but not locked? No.
WAG: Did the murderer attach string to the bar closing the door from inside, put the balloon in the gap between door and the wall, then grenade explodes, ballon explodes too, door closes but murderer is able to lower/drop the bar with the string? Or bar drops by the impact of heavy door closing?
No to both, but you're not that far off.

Danobrazil:
Does the balloon popping accomplish something? Yes.
Is the "room" an enclosure with 4 walls? Yes. And a ceiling? Yes. Is it a large/huge area? No. Or very small like a closet? No. Are there lights in the room? Yes, though they broke form the explosion. Is it a hangar bay? No. Missile silo? No. Something top secret? No, maybe slightly secret.
Is the picture on the balloon relevant to why the commander was known to have been murdered? No.
Was the balloon made or utilized to look like a person in any way? No. Did the door have a window? NO.
Besides the investigation any other relevant people? Animals? Two people are tangentially relevant.

Balin:
Were balloon scraps found near the body? Near the door. Did the balloon pop in the Murder Room? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:48 pm

So the balloon trick was done in order to have the door closed as if they were closed from inside, correct? Was the balloon particularly big? Was the rubber particularly thick?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:15 pm

So the balloon trick was done in order to have the door closed as if they were closed from inside, correct? Exactly. Was the balloon particularly big? No. Was the rubber particularly thick? No.
The ballon was used to prop an inside locking mechanism open until the grenade exploded. Exactly how is irrelevant, but it worked.

To be determined:
What kind of room (and door) can you grenade in such a fashion?
How was the death discovered?
How did the victim end up there in the first place? The victim relevantly outranks the perpetrator.
Who are the two tangentially relevant people?
How does the symbol on the balloon help solve the mystery?
Hint: it will help to know more about the perpetrator.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:16 pm

If the lights were turned off and the door was closed would the room be pitch black or almost so?
Was the symbol on the balloon a logo? a bulls-eye? Something meant for the commander to see? For him to try and grab it?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:20 pm

If the lights were turned off and the door was closed would the room be pitch black or almost so? Yes, completely. The lights were working until the explosion that killed him though, and before then he had been knocked out with the bottle.
Was the symbol on the balloon a logo? Yes. a bulls-eye? No. Something meant for the commander to see? No, and he never did. For him to try and grab it? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:32 pm

Did the murderer want the evidence to show it was in fact a murder/hit? Perhaps sending a message to others? A message to the commander before dying?
Is there more to this scenario than a grudge or extreme dislike/hatred for the commander?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:45 pm

Did the murderer want the evidence to show it was in fact a murder/hit? Perhaps sending a message to others? A message to the commander before dying? No to all, the murderer went to great lengths to make it look like a suicide.
Is there more to this scenario than a grudge or extreme dislike/hatred for the commander? Assume no. He hates him, wants him dead, and wants it to look like a suicide. I'll pu the actual story in the $p0iler, but the details would needlessly complicate the puzzle.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:53 pm

I may be repeating but...
Was the thing which proved it wasn't a suicide - fragment(s) of something? embedded in a wall? on the ground? Ceiling? A complete object? The door? The balloon? 2 or more objects together? The state of the body? Lack of something? A fluid? A body part? Something gaseous or the air?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:32 pm

Was the commander in the prison cell? In the treasury? In the deafened room for safe communication? Archive with particularly delicate documents?
Was the commander tricked into coming to his room? Did the murderer impersonate someone to lure him there? Did the murderer arrange the situation in which the commander was obliged to visit this room?
Was death discovered because someone else needed the place? Because the explosion was heard? Was the death discovered within minutes? hours? days? weeks? months?
Are the two tangentially relevant people guards? Investigators? People in charge of the room?
Did the symbol on the balloon gave away the perpetrator's identity? His affiliation with certain company? Was it a clue from where the balloon was taken?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:07 pm

Danobrazil:
I may be repeating but...
Was the thing which proved it wasn't a suicide - fragment(s) of something? embedded in a wall? on the ground? Ceiling? A complete object? The door? The balloon? This. 2 or more objects together? The state of the body? Lack of something? A fluid? A body part? Something gaseous or the air?

RedWine:
Was the commander in the prison cell? In the treasury? In the deafened room for safe communication? Archive with particularly delicate documents? No to all.
Was the commander tricked into coming to his room? Yes. Did the murderer impersonate someone to lure him there? YES. Did the murderer arrange the situation in which the commander was obliged to visit this room? No.
Was death discovered because someone else needed the place? No. Because the explosion was heard? No, it wasn't. Was the death discovered within minutes? hours? days? This, a search was started when the victim did not report for duty. weeks? months?
Are the two tangentially relevant people guards? Investigators? No to both. People in charge of the room? One is. This person was impersonated. The other is none of the above.
Did the symbol on the balloon gave away the perpetrator's identity? Yes. His affiliation with certain company? No. Was it a clue from where the balloon was taken? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:51 pm

Is the logo on the balloon complex? or simple? Is it a logo of the balloon manufacturer? What is something that indicated it came from the murderer's house? Something like happy 60th Birthday Rick? Was is a clown/twisty balloon and the murderer was a clown as a hobby?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:55 pm

Is the logo on the balloon complex? or simple? Simple. Is it a logo of the balloon manufacturer? Yes. What is something that indicated it came from the murderer's house? Indirectly. Something like happy 60th Birthday Rick? No, but... Was is a clown/twisty balloon and the murderer was a clown as a hobby? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:40 pm

Was the commander relevantly in charge of the room? Was he told that something'd gone wrong there and needed to be fixed?
Was the commander murdered in a shelter? Which possibly is underground and has door leading upwards, not in horizontal direction?
If not, was the door leading directly outside? To the other parts of the building?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:56 am

Was the commander relevantly in charge of the room? Yes. Was he told that something'd gone wrong there and needed to be fixed? Assume that he was just ordered to go there in a way that he didn't question the order.
Was the commander murdered in a shelter? No. Which possibly is underground and has door leading upwards, not in horizontal direction? No, but it was indeed underground.
If not, was the door leading directly outside? Yes. To the other parts of the building? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:12 am

Was the room in which commander was murdered frequently used? Never used? No longer in use?
Was it a cache for some vehicles?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:18 am

Was the room in which commander was murdered frequently used? No. Never used? No. No longer in use? Yes.
Was it a cache Yes. for some vehicles? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:26 am

A cache: for people? For missiles? For ammo? For weapons? For valuables? For secret data? Empty cache?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:07 pm

A cache: for people? For missiles? For ammo? For weapons? For valuables? For secret data? Empty cache? An empty underground weapons and ammunitions cache.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:10 pm

Was the perpetrator a professional soldier? Did he have additional job? Is any of his previous jobs relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:22 pm

Was the perpetrator a professional soldier? Yes. Did he have additional job? No, but... Is any of his previous jobs relevant? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:25 pm

Did he have a relevant family? Did any of his family members have a relevant job? Did he have unique access to the balloons marked with relevant logo?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:28 am

Relevant family with no relevant jobs. Not unique access, but OTRT.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:08 pm

Is the relevant family of the perp or the commander? Relevant family member is - Mother? Father? Wife? Son? Daughter? If wife - was it an extramarital or rape revenge? Or did she lure the commander? If son/daughter did they first have the relevant balloon?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:48 pm

Is the relevant family of the perp or the commander? Perp. Relevant family member is - Mother? Father? Wife? Son? Daughter? Son. If wife - was it an extramarital or rape revenge? Or did she lure the commander? If son/daughter did they first have the relevant balloon? Yes.
The motive was that the wife and the victim had an affair. This fact was not found out until after the mystery was solved, and she doesn't contribute to the puzzle otherwise, so I left it out of the puzzle.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:22 pm

Was the perp's son young? Did the son ever visit the relevant room or place ? If so did he leave his balloon behind? Relevant? Did the perp and his son conspire? Was there are photo of the son with a balloon on the perp's desk? Was the logo on the balloon relevantly seen by anyone outside of the military place in question? Did the son say anything relevant? Did the son go to a relevant party or festival? Is there a relevant receipt/charge?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:14 am

Was the perp's son young? Yes. Did the son ever visit the relevant room or place ? No. If so did he leave his balloon behind? No. Relevant? Yes. Did the perp and his son conspire? No. Was there are photo of the son with a balloon on the perp's desk? No. Was the logo on the balloon relevantly seen by anyone outside of the military place in question? Yes, the son. Did the son say anything relevant? Yes. Did the son go to a relevant party or festival? The son hosted a relevant party. Is there a relevant receipt/charge? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:10 pm

Did the son unwittingly or on purpose get his perp father in trouble? Is the logo of the balloon related to a type of event (Birthday Party)? A very specific type of event (like a Bar-Mitzvah)? Did the son say something relevant to - His Mom? The perp? other family? The victim? Other military person? Investigators/police? Something related to the victim?
Are there any relevant clues at the victims place of residence? Or at the military installation, aside from the room area?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Did the son unwittingly This. or on purpose get his perp father in trouble? Yes. Is the logo of the balloon related to a type of event (Birthday Party)? No, but the balloon was from a relevant birtday party. A very specific type of event (like a Bar-Mitzvah)? No. Did the son say something relevant to - His Mom? The perp? other family? The victim? Other military person? Investigators/police? This. Something related to the victim? No.
Are there any relevant clues at the victims place of residence? Assume no. Or at the military installation, aside from the room area? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:00 pm

Is there enough evidence at the scene of the crime to suspect the perp? Or is it after interviewing suspects/witnesses/the son that it becomes apparent? Or after looking at evidence elsewhere?
Did the son say in front of investigators where is my balloon? Or something he brought up? Or did the investigators ask the son a relevant question? Did the murder happen on the same day as the birthday party? Before? After?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:00 am

Is there enough evidence at the scene of the crime to suspect the perp? Noish, though they suspect foul play. Or is it after interviewing suspects/witnesses/the son that it becomes apparent? Yes. Or after looking at evidence elsewhere? No.
Did the son say in front of investigators where is my balloon? No. Or something he brought up? Yes. Or did the investigators ask the son a relevant question? Either that, or the son told them on his own accord. Did the murder happen on the same day as the birthday party? Yes. Before? No. After? No.
Hint: the son told two relevant things about the father. When we find both, I can $p01l.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:05 pm

The son said - That balloon is from my birthday party? He said something about his father not being at the birthday party? Dad asked for a balloon? I saw a grenade - I though it was a toy? I saw dad doing something before he left? There was something different about dad's appearance when I saw him next? Blood on clothes? Couldn't hear (explosion)?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:35 pm

The son said - That balloon is from my birthday party? No, but... He said something about his father not being at the birthday party? No, his father was there. Dad asked for a balloon? Yes - or rather, he took a few without asking. I saw a grenade - I though it was a toy? No. I saw dad doing something before he left? Yesish. There was something different about dad's appearance when I saw him next? No. Blood on clothes? No. Couldn't hear (explosion)? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:04 pm

Is the father taking balloons one of the 2 relevant things the son told the investigators? Did the son see his dad do something with the balloons besides taking them? Did the son see his father doing another thing which he told the investigators? Did he reveal a relevant fact which wasn't something he saw his father do? Are both relevant things the son says concerning things that happened or are at home? Is one/both of the things some occurring/existing elsewhere? At the father's job? The victim's home? Something on the road - tailing car perhaps? At a store?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:04 am

Is the father taking balloons one of the 2 relevant things the son told the investigators? Yes indeed. Did the son see his dad do something with the balloons besides taking them? No. Did the son see his father doing another thing which he told the investigators? Yesish. Did he reveal a relevant fact which wasn't something he saw his father do? Noish. Are both relevant things the son says concerning things that happened or are at home? Yes. Is one/both of the things some occurring/existing elsewhere? No. At the father's job? No. The victim's home? No. Something on the road - tailing car perhaps? No. At a store? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:54 pm

Did the son see his father doing a second relevant thing? Is there something he noticed his father didn't do? Did the son relevantly conceal any fact? Is the father with the son when investigators are speaking to the son? Did the son reveal something about the affair/the commander's wife? Did he reveal a biological/appearance fact about the father (how he was dressed, can't use one hand, can't procreate)? Is the second revelation regarding something which happened on the day of the birthday party? before? After? Did the son notice/learn this revelation the day of the birthday? before? after?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:00 pm

Did the son see his father doing a second relevant thing? Yesish, "see" is not quite correct. Is there something he noticed his father didn't do? No. Did the son relevantly conceal any fact? No. Is the father with the son when investigators are speaking to the son? No. Did the son reveal something about the affair/the commander's wife? No. Did he reveal a biological/appearance fact about the father (how he was dressed, can't use one hand, can't procreate)? Yope, worth exploring. Is the second revelation regarding something which happened on the day of the birthday party? Yes. before? After? No to both. Did the son notice/learn this revelation the day of the birthday? Relevantly, yes. before? He probably knew it before also. after? Irr.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:05 pm

Anything dealing with a birthday cake? The words or numbers on it? Is the birthday party - the son's? Father's? Mother's? Family member? Non Family? Was the father relevantly drinking alcohol? Same bottle as found at the scene of the crime?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:58 am

Anything dealing with a birthday cake? No. The words or numbers on it? No. Is the birthday party - the son's? This, no to the others. Father's? Mother's? Family member? Non Family? Was the father relevantly drinking alcohol? No. Same bottle as found at the scene of the crime? So no.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:18 pm

Did the son hear his father doing something? Or hear something relevant? Smell? Feel? Taste? Birthday present relevant? Did the son hear a balloon pop in the house and dad was there near a door and we can infer he was testing his plan? Was the dad testing his plan at home?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:36 pm

Did the son hear his father doing something? Yes. Or hear something relevant? Yes, see above. Smell? No. Feel? No. Taste? No. Birthday present relevant? Yope or noish... worth exploring. Did the son hear a balloon pop in the house and dad was there near a door and we can infer he was testing his plan? No. Was the dad testing his plan at home? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:59 pm

The son heard the father - Arguing? With his wife? Performing an action? with his hands? mouth? Relevantly speaking? to himself? someone else? another voice heard? Was the action he heard in another area of the home? outside? a grenade? a vehicle? an explosion? a TV? was the dad relevantly blowing up a balloon at home? in a car?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:28 pm

The son heard the father - Arguing? With his wife? No. Performing an action? Yesish. with his hands? No. mouth? Yes. Relevantly speaking? Yes. to himself? No. someone else? Yesish. another voice heard? YOPE, very much OTRT. Was the action he heard in another area of the home? No. The action was mainly speaking, but there's more to it. outside? a grenade? a vehicle? an explosion? a TV? was the dad relevantly blowing up a balloon at home? in a car? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:30 pm

The son heard the father speaking - into a recorder? to an animal? on the phone? to the commander? wife of commander? his wife? a person from a relevant company? Was the father ordering something relevant? calling for a taxi/rent-a-car? Was the father on the phone but away from home? If so did he call home? Did the son eaves drop? By picking up a phone? Did the phone relevantly ring at home? At the military place? A business?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:38 pm

The son heard the father speaking - into a recorder? No. to an animal? No. on the phone? No. to the commander? No, but this is somehow relevant. wife of commander? No. his wife? No. a person from a relevant company? No. Was the father ordering something relevant? calling for a taxi/rent-a-car? Was the father on the phone but away from home? If so did he call home? Did the son eaves drop? By picking up a phone? Did the phone relevantly ring at home? No to all. At the military place? Yes, the father relevantly called the victim at the military place at one point. This call was not relevantly overheard by anyone else. The thing the son did hear, is laterally connected to this call, and also to his birthday party. A business? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby danobrazil » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:53 pm

Did the commander attend the son's birthday party? Any relevant other people attend the birthday party? Did the son say the commander was here for my birthday? And he did ....? Or my dad did ... with him? Did the commander relevantly have or say anything regarding the birthday party?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:09 am

Did the commander attend the son's birthday party? Any relevant other people attend the birthday party? Did the son say the commander was here for my birthday? And he did ....? Or my dad did ... with him? Did the commander relevantly have or say anything regarding the birthday party?
No to all.
Hint: the father has a relevant skill, which he used at the birthday party, and also in the crime.
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:24 am

Is the father a ventriloquist? Can he imitate voices?
Was the relevant phone call the one when the father impersonated someone to lure the commander into the crime scene?
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Re: [GalFisk] DIY

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:49 am

Is the father a ventriloquist? No. Can he imitate voices? Yes!
Was the relevant phone call the one when the father impersonated someone to lure the commander into the crime scene? Yes indeed.

***SPOILER***
I was trying to find my book with this short story in it a couple of days ago, but I couldn't find it, so the story is from memory.

Suspicion is first raised when the victim, a career military man, does not whow up for duty.
An empty ammunitions bunker is found to be locked from the inside (as can be done in times of war), and welders use a good deal of time to cut through the reinforced door.
Inside, the man is found dead - killed by a hand grenade. He's known as a drinking man, and remnants of a bottle and alcohol is found. It looks like drunken suicide.

But things don't quite add up, as investigators uncover the details.
- The man's living area is spartan, but he's not living a strict, spartan, military life. In addition to his love of ordering people around, he also has a reputation outside the millitary for his enjoyment of both alcohol and women.
- The man was never suicidal, he was only a little drunk that evening, and even with emptying the bottle in question, a man of his physique would still have his senses. He left his friends, in a pretty good mood, after receiving a phone call.
- The man was particularly demeaning to a certain private.

Investigators find out about the affair, and that the tormented private is the husband of the woman in question. They comb the bunker and find the pieces of balloon. The balloon is a rare manufacture with a rainbow logo.
When they speak to the son of the pair, they find that:
- His father took some of his "rainbow" balloons form his birtday party
- His father is a great imitator, who entertained at the party by imitating various commanding officers

In the end, the investigators actually recreate the crime, step by step, using another ballon, grenade, and a dummy.

I honestly don't recall if they decided to charge him, or to keep his secret.
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Re: [GalFisk]SOLVED DIY

Postby RedWine » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:17 am

Great puzzle and seems also a great story.
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