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[Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:09 am

One person kills another in self-defense without knowing they are there. How?

All involved are H/A/pick a gender
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby fromred » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:07 pm

Does he kill the other person with a gun? Poison?
Does he know the other person?
Was the other person actually trying to kill him? or trying to rob him?
are other people involved?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:28 am

Does he kill the other person with a gun? Yes Poison? So No
Does he know the other person? No
Was the other person actually trying to kill him? No or trying to rob him? Yes
are other people involved? Yes, one, H/A/pick a gender
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Westing1992 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:47 am

Does the killer fire the gun directly? Or did he make some sort of trap to catch burglars?
Does the killer mistake the robber for something else? (an animal, for instance).
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:49 pm

Does the killer fire the gun directly? Yes Or did he make some sort of trap to catch burglars? No
Does the killer mistake the robber for something else? (an animal, for instance). No
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby irishelk » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:15 pm

Let's make the killer male and the victim female, for ease of pronouns.

If he hadn't killed her, would she have killed him? Intentionally? Is she aware of him before he shoots her?

Does he fire the gun on purpose? Does he see her? Is she hiding intentionally? Is she inside something else that he is shooting?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:10 pm

Let's make the killer male and the victim female, for ease of pronouns. OK. If you want, you can name them too.

If he hadn't killed her, would she have killed him? Possibly Intentionally? If she would have, yes Is she aware of him before he shoots her? No

Does he fire the gun on purpose? Yes Does he see her? No Is she hiding intentionally? Yes Is she inside something else that he is shooting? No
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Westing1992 » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:02 pm

About the shooter not knowing the robber is there:
Does he suspect someone is hiding but does not know exactly where they are? Or does he not know anyone is present and fires for other reasons?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:35 pm

About the shooter not knowing the robber is there:
Does he suspect someone is hiding but does not know exactly where they are? No Or does he not know anyone is present and fires for other reasons? Yes
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:32 pm

Sniping relevant? War relevant? Is he using an anti-material rifle? A regular sniper rifle? A regular rifle? A handgun? Does he blow something up? Are other people relevant? If so, is one of them his actual target? Is what he shoots attacking him? Or something or someone he's protecting?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby museoffire » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:52 pm

Is the shooter indoors or outdoors? Is he trying to shoot something specific? If so, a person? An animal? A target? Is he trying to destroy something by shooting it, like breaking a window? Is he at a gun range, or doing some sport involving guns? Or is he shooting for a purpose besides hitting something, like to make noise or as a warning shot? Is he successful in achieving whatever his purpose was for shooting?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:55 pm

Sniping relevant? No War relevant? No
Is he using an anti-material rifle? A regular sniper rifle? A regular rifle? A handgun? This
Does he blow something up? No
Are other people relevant? Yes, one, H/A/either If so, is one of them his actual target? No Is what he shoots attacking him? Yope Or something or someone he's protecting? No

Is the shooter indoors or outdoors? Indoors
Is he trying to shoot something specific? Noish/Yope If so, a person? Same Noish/Yope An animal? A target?
Is he trying to destroy something by shooting it, like breaking a window? No Is he at a gun range, or doing some sport involving guns? No Or is he shooting for a purpose besides hitting something, like to make noise or as a warning shot? No Is he successful in achieving whatever his purpose was for shooting? Yope

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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby wolfier » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:51 pm

was the shot in reaction of a sight or a sound, coupled with fear? was the robbery suspected even? was that third person a friend, a foe, or neutral to the killer? to the victim/would-be-robber?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby museoffire » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:56 pm

Was the third relevant person with the shooter/robber at the time of the shooting? Would any shots have been fired if the third person hadn't been there? Would any be fired if the robber hadn't been there?
Was the shooter trying to shoot someone who wasn't real? A ghost? Did he hear/see something that made him think something was there and then shot at it? Was his shot made out of fear? Anger? Insanity?
Did the victim have any relevant goals besides robbing the shooter? Did she know the shooter had a gun? Was there something particular she was trying to rob him of? Money? His gun?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:41 pm

was the shot in reaction of a sight or a sound, coupled with fear? Yes was the robbery suspected even? No was that third person a friend, a foe, or neutral to the killer? Neutral to the victim/would-be-robber? 3rd person was unknown to victim

Was the third relevant person with the shooter/robber at the time of the shooting? No Would any shots have been fired if the third person hadn't been there? No Would any be fired if the robber hadn't been there? No
Was the shooter trying to shoot someone who wasn't real? No A ghost? No Did he hear/see something that made him think something was there and then shot at it? Yes Was his shot made out of fear? This Anger? Insanity?
Did the victim have any relevant goals besides robbing the shooter? No Did she know the shooter had a gun? No Was there something particular she was trying to rob him of? Irrel Money? His gun?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby museoffire » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:29 pm

Did the events happen in the shooter's home? Someone else's? A place of business? A public place? Was the event that prompted the shooting visual, auditory, or both? Was the shooter scared generally that there was someone there that could harm him, or something more specific? Was the event directly caused by the third person? If so, accidentally or on purpose? Was it something that the robber triggered? Would anyone have been scared by it, or just the shooter?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby fromred » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:35 am

Let's choose the names: Killer - John, victim Sarah, Third person: Nick

Is John aware that he is being robbed?
Does he realize a person is there? If not, after killing Sarah?
Does Nick help somehow the robbery to happen, even without knowing it?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:31 pm

Did the events happen in the shooter's home? Yes Someone else's? A place of business? A public place? Was the event that prompted the shooting visual, auditory, or both? Both, mainly auditory Was the shooter scared generally that there was someone there that could harm him, or something more specific? More specific Was the event directly caused by the third person? Yes If so, accidentally or on purpose? Yes/No Was it something that the robber triggered? No Would anyone have been scared by it, or just the shooter? Probably anyone

Let's choose the names: Killer - John, victim Sarah, Third person: Nick Sounds good

Is John aware that he is being robbed? No
Does he realize a person is there? He thinks someone is there If not, after killing Sarah? Yes
Does Nick help somehow the robbery to happen, even without knowing it? No, the robbery does not happen at all
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby wolfier » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:55 am

did the went happen at night or during the day? was weather relevant? was anyone outdoors other than the shooter?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby fromred » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:07 pm

Was Nick at John's home? By chance? Had he been invited?
Did John shoot because he heard a noise made by Nick? And accidentally killed Sarah
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:39 pm

did the went happen at night or during the day? Night was weather relevant? No was anyone outdoors other than the shooter? No

Was Nick at John's home? No By chance? Had he been invited?
Did John shoot because he heard a noise made by Nick? Yes And accidentally killed Sarah? Yes
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby museoffire » Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:56 pm

Did Nick somehow give John something that ended up making the noise? Had Nick been at John's home prior to the incident? Did he leave something there? Something that made a noise? Did he give John a present? Was Nick near the home at the time of the incident? Did Nick cause the noise at the time at which it occurred? Or did he cause it by doing something earlier?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:30 pm

Did Nick somehow give John something that ended up making the noise? No Had Nick been at John's home prior to the incident? No Did he leave something there? No Something that made a noise? No Did he give John a present? No Was Nick near the home at the time of the incident? Yes Did Nick cause the noise at the time at which it occurred? Yes Or did he cause it by doing something earlier? No
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby fromred » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:45 pm

So, we have John and Sarah at John's house, right? Is Nick outside the house?
Is the noise a scream? A telephone ringing? A noise made with some kind of tool (hammer, stick etc.)? Could anyone else than Nick have made that noise?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby irishelk » Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:38 pm

Is Nick aware of the robbery? If so, because he has foreknowledge of it? Or because he sees Sarah?

Does he throw something? Knock on the door? Break a window? And maybe Sarah is behind the curtain of the window that Nick breaks?

Is he trying to warn John? Trying to help Sarah?

Is it relevant why John has a gun/is prepared to fire in the first place? Does he suspect a robbery, and Nick's noise seems to confirm it?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:49 pm

So, we have John and Sarah at John's house, right? Yes Is Nick outside the house? Technically
Is the noise a scream? A telephone ringing? A noise made with some kind of tool (hammer, stick etc.)? No to all Could anyone else than Nick have made that noise? In this situation, No

Is Nick aware of the robbery? No If so, because he has foreknowledge of it? Or because he sees Sarah?

Does he throw something? Knock on the door? Break a window? This And maybe Sarah is behind the curtain of the window that Nick breaks? She's near the window

Is he trying to warn John? Trying to help Sarah? Neither

Is it relevant why John has a gun/is prepared to fire in the first place? Yes Does he suspect a robbery, and Nick's noise seems to confirm it? No
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby wolfier » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:56 pm

Is John a criminal himself and has something to hide? If so, was he tryinto defend against law enforcement? Is Nick a neighbour? A visitor? Delivering something to John?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:39 pm

Is John a criminal himself and has something to hide? No If so, was he trying to defend against law enforcement? No
Is Nick a neighbour? Yes A visitor? No Delivering something to John? No
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby museoffire » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:45 am

Did Nick break the window by shooting it? Throwing something at it? Hitting it? Crashing into it with a vehicle? Making a noise at the resonant frequency of glass?
Did he break the window accidentally? On purpose? Did he do it out of concern for his own safety? John's safety?
At the time of the incident was he on John's property? His own? Or in between?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Jpgamer31 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:01 pm

Did Nick make the noise that scared John on purpose? If so was he intending to affect John in some way? Did John have an occupation that required him to carry a gun? Did Sarah rob John at random, or did she intentionally target his house? Does John have a condition in which he is easily started. Did the sound that Nick made involve fireworks?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:19 pm

Did Nick make the noise that scared John on purpose? Yes If so was he intending to affect John in some way? No Did John have an occupation that required him to carry a gun? Irrel Did Sarah rob John at random, or did she intentionally target his house? Irrel Does John have a condition in which he is easily startled? No Did the sound that Nick made involve fireworks? No but OTRT
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Jpgamer31 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:44 pm

Did a window break at the scene? If so was it broken by John? If not was it Broken by Nick / Was it broken by the thing that made the noise? Did the noise affect Sarah in any way (Other than causing John to shoot her). Was the noise an explosion?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:16 pm

Did a window break at the scene? Yes If so was it broken by John? No If not was it Broken by Nick / Was it broken by the thing that made the noise? Yes Did the noise affect Sarah in any way (Other than causing John to shoot her). No Was the noise an explosion? No
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Jpgamer31 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:08 pm

Did Nick break the window on purpose? Did John shoot Sarah with a handgun (like a real gun not a nerf gun? Important because she may have fallen out window). Did Sarah fall from broken window? Did John fire in reaction to the broken window? If john had seen Sarah, would he have shot her anyway?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby vever » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:54 am

Did John expect Nick to show up? Someone else? Was that the reason he had the gun prepared? Did he know Nick was outside the window?
Was the window closed?
Did John have the gun ready because he was scared of someone? Was his intention before the sound to shoot someone? Or to fire the gun to make a loud sound? Did John pick up the gun because of a sound prior to the sound Nick caused?
Was the sound the result of an implosion, like from a balloon? And the sound was not just the sound from the breaking window?

You never answered museoffire.
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:03 pm

You never answered museoffire. Oops. Remedied.

Did Nick break the window by shooting it? DOYD of "shoot" Throwing something at it? Hitting it? Crashing into it with a vehicle? Making a noise at the resonant frequency of glass? No to these
Did he break the window accidentally? This On purpose? Did he do it out of concern for his own safety? No John's safety? No
At the time of the incident was he on John's property? His own? ThisOr in between?

Did Nick break the window on purpose? No Did John shoot Sarah with a handgun Yes (like a real gun not a nerf gun? Important because she may have fallen out window). She did not Did Sarah fall from broken window? No Did John fire in reaction to the broken window? Yes If john had seen Sarah, would he have shot her anyway? Yes

Did John expect Nick to show up? No Someone else? No Was that the reason he had the gun prepared? No Did he know Nick was outside the window? No
Was the window closed? Yes
Did John have the gun ready because he was scared of someone? No Was his intention before the sound to shoot someone? No Or to fire the gun to make a loud sound? Yes Did John pick up the gun because of a sound prior to the sound Nick caused? No
Was the sound the result of an implosion, like from a balloon? No And the sound was not just the sound from the breaking window? Yes
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Jpgamer31 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:29 pm

Was Nick playing loud music? If so did John fire his gun to intimidate nick into turning down his music. Did John fire at the window with the intention of breaking it?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:47 pm

Was Nick playing loud music? No If so did John fire his gun to intimidate nick into turning down his music.
Did John fire at the window with the intention of breaking it? No, the window was already broken
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby museoffire » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:35 am

Did some sort of projectile that originated from Nick's property hit John's window? If so, did Nick intend to "shoot" it but misaimed it? Would whatever broke John's window be typically classified as a weapon?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby vever » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:34 pm

Before Nick broke the window by accident, did John plan to open the window?
Shoot through the window?
Was John's original intention for making a loud sound to scare someone?
To celebrate New Year's Eve or similar?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:58 pm

Did some sort of projectile that originated from Nick's property hit John's window? Yes If so, did Nick intend to "shoot" it but misaimed it? Yes Would whatever broke John's window be typically classified as a weapon? No

Before Nick broke the window by accident, did John plan to open the window? No
Shoot through the window? No
Was John's original intention for making a loud sound to scare someone? No
To celebrate New Year's Eve or similar? Yes, exactly!
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Jpgamer31 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:02 pm

Is the thing that Nick shot the cork to a bottle of champaign? Did this cork break the window? If so, when the window broke did it startle John, who then fired the gun?
Did Sarah make a sound when the window broke?
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Re: [Balin] One shot, one opportunity

Postby Balin » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:18 pm

Is the thing that Nick shot the cork to a bottle of champagne? Did this cork break the window? If so, when the window broke did it startle John, who then fired the gun? Yes to all.
Did Sarah make a sound when the window broke? No, but we have the

****SPOILER****

And this was my disguised New Year's puzzle.

On New Year's Eve, John was loading his gun to fire off some celebratory bullets, when his neighbor Nick popped the cork from a bottle of champagne, launching the cork through John's window. When John heard a loud bang and saw his window shatter, he instinctively fired back, hitting and killing burglar Sarah who had been lurking outside that window.

Nice solve jpgamer. New puzzle soon.
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Re: [Balin] (*SOLVED*) One shot, one opportunity

Postby Jpgamer31 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:21 pm

Thanks, I was about to ask did John see Sarah after firing? I can see this happening in real life. Good puzzle Balin. I am looking forward to the next one.
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Re: [Balin] (*SOLVED*) One shot, one opportunity

Postby vever » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:20 am

Thank you Balin, I enjoyed this one.
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Re: [Balin] (*SOLVED*) One shot, one opportunity

Postby irishelk » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:22 am

Ooh, nice complex holiday puzzle!
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